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I'm re-posting this for people like COLGene
Published on May 20, 2005 By Rightwinger In Politics
As a reply to an article COLGene posted today, I put this up again......


Among the many complaints I see here on JU and hear from other sources about American efforts to establish solid democratic governing in Iraq are complaints about the infrastructure there. Many opponents of our involvement there often point out that public utilities do not operate efficiently; electricity, for example, is or was limited to just a few hours a day. "Why is this?" they ask; "it always seemed to work well enough under Saddam...why is it that we can't get it to work? Aren't we supposed to be giving them everything they had and more? We're failing! We must withdraw!"

A recent article in the local paper here (it was on the front page, too, which surprised me, as it really is an extrememly left-leaning rag) goes a long way toward explaining the reasons why the utilities are not operating as well under the new government as they did under the former dictatorship.

A groundskeeper at a local university, Mr. Mark Haney, recently returned from a 14-month tour of duty in Iraq, where, as a Lt. Colonel in Civil Affairs Dept. in the Army Reserves, he helped the local government around Baghdad to get things up and running again.

"The problems with the electrical system were just one indication of what life was like under Saddam," he explained. "No, the power system didn't break down under Saddam, essentially because few people could actually use it." Under Saddam's rule you had to "have a special permit to have an air conditioner or electric stove. To get a permit required knowing the right people---and paying a bribe."
The result was that practically no one had either of these items in their homes. After Saddam and his government was taken down, the need for those permits suddenly disappeared, and air conditioners and electric stoves by the skidful could be found for sale on the streets, and people of course started buying them. The electrical system, neglected for years under Saddam, couldn't handle the drain; the military decided that adding generators would solve the problem. "The real problem, though," Haney said, "was that the lines were so old and inefficient that a quarter of the electricity was lost before it was delivered to the homes."
The same kinds of problems existed with gasoline. There were never lines for gas in Iraq before the war. "That," Haney said, "was because only a select few could own a car. To get a car required another special permit that, like so many other things, required a bribe." After Iraq fell, Iraqis began a frenzy of used-car buying that virtually covered the world, and truckloads of used cars began showing up and were purchased very quickly. The population of Baghdad is around 5 million, and there are few gas stations to service them.
In the sectors where Haney was in charge, there were about 1 million people, many of whom were now car owners who wanted to drive their shiny new vehicles, but only 32 gas pumps, which is the equivalent of having 8 gas pumps to service all of Fort Wayne, Indiana (which is the second largest city in that state, the first being Indianapolis, the capital).
One of the hard parts, according to Haney, was deciding what to do first, so he would go to the people and ask what they wanted. The State Dept. wanted to build schools, which was a good idea, but the people wanted things like water and sewage first, so they wouldn't have to haul their own to and from open sewers and springs or taps in 130-degree temperatures. So, Haney would approach Iraqi construction companies who would then bid on the projects to get the work done.
For $100,000 he managed to bring water service to "a violent section of Baghdad that had never had the luxury of water service under Saddam."
Haney restored water and electrical service to Zarwa Park, a local spot for picnics and family outings. He had the zoo rebuilt and cleaned and constructed new cages for lions, cheetahs, tigers and bears. He also had the concession booths and pavillions restored. As of his departure, thousands of people a day were visiting the restored zoo and park.
Accomplishing things such as installing sewers and water lines in Baghdad was fairly easy, according to Haney, because Saddam's regime had already had the plans drawn up so they could show them to the UN as plans drawn up by a western company and as evidence of progress. No one ever planned to act on them, is all. It would ask the UN for money from the Food for Oil program to do these things, then the money would mysteriously disappear, so nothing was ever done.
Haney said that he "tried to promote the advances made by American forces in-country", but "all the western media was concerned about and interested in was shootings and bombings."

One of the hardest parts of the job, Haney said, was making the Iraqis understand that the old system is gone, and that bribes are no longer necessary. Government now involves customer service and, though corruption of course still exists (especially among the Iraqi police and, since the US military police work with them, this makes the MPs unpopular and targets for insurgents. Regular troops, though, like the cavalry, for example, are most often left alone because they get things done), bribery is no longer the way to get a contract. There is a permanent ban in place on bribery and, as a result, the cost of construction projects has gone down.

Haney is a realist, though; he estimates that it will be perhaps another 10 years before Iraq will be able to come into its own and operate completely free of foreign intervention. In another year, he's planning on being sent back.


We are making progress, people, despite what the naysayers and doomcriers here in the States and in other nations say, and despite what stumbling blocks they put in our way.

I, for one, am proud of our military personnel there and and in Afghanistan and the job they're doing under difficult cultural, personal and military circumstances. Mark Haney's story is just one I've read like this, and stories like his need to be heard.

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on May 21, 2005
Our men and women are dead. "WHY" sensationalize that? Which is EXACTLY what the media wants to do. The bodies should NOT be shown!


Well thats classic right wing doctrine. Lambasting the media for actually wanting to report the facts. I mean where do they get off huh?

And its not as if Bush ever sensationalizes anything is it?


But maybe since you're so hot to trot on needing proof DrMil, you could give us that WMD evidence the rest of world is still waiting for hmmm? Have you had a chance to locate them yet...or are you still too busy zipping up the body bags of your dead country yokel grunts?


Have a troll cookie. I'm not really sure that your even deserving of that! BTW the media does NOT want to report facts! FACTS DON'T SELL! And just an FYI how about over 2 dozen high performance Migs that were found buried in the sands around Baghdad?
on May 21, 2005
look at the riots in Afghanistan. The riots in Iraq. look at the terrorist bombings against American assets throughout the world. Look at the insurgency in Iraq. Only a moron would believe that the Muslims have any regard for Americans. At best some Muslims tolerate us and many hate us. You are the COWARD that would send our young men and women to their death in an atmosphere like Iraq. I think YOU should be sent to Iraq!


Col you are wrong again, will you admit it.

The riots in Afghanistan were based on the false newsweek story. It has nothing to do with Iraq. But as always, muslims hate us and most of the world because of their religion.

Anyways, the insurgency in Iraq is a minority of people. There are millions of Iraqis who are opening their own businesses, helping the U.S. fight, training and dying defending their own country, and for the most part living better lives then under Saddam.

As far as your comment about riots in Iraq. A small minority of people who follow a radical cleric are not the majority of Iraqis nor do they represent them. That is how you distort facts and is the main reason nobody takes you seriously. You have been proved wrong.....again.
on May 21, 2005
You are wrong. Today Bush said the unrest was not caused by the newsweek article but because of the radical moslem elements that hate us. They may have used this article as well as the other incidents to fan of fires of unrest and dislike of the West by many Moslems exist separate from these most recent stories. There is a fundamental distrust and dislike in most Muslim countries of the United States, Israel and the West in general. The insurgency is not limited to Iraq it is worldwide and is directed against the interests of the United States, Israel and other Christian nations. Yesterday there were large demonstration in Iraq against the United States and today the leader of Pakistan criticized American actions with prisoners of war. It appears more and more like everything we do in the Moslem world is fanning the flames of unrest and if the Israeli-Palestinian issue again heats up there will be yet another flashpoint in the Muslim world.
on May 21, 2005
You are wrong. Today Bush said the unrest was not caused by the newsweek article but because of the radical moslem elements that hate us. They may have used this article as well as the other incidents to fan of fires of unrest and dislike of the West by many Moslems exist separate from these most recent stories. There is a fundamental distrust and dislike in most Muslim countries of the United States, Israel and the West in general.


Oh so now Bush is right. The riots in Afghanistan and other countries started because of the newsweek report. Was it the underlying reason, I doubt it, but it's just the usual excuse for muslims to go crazy wihtout reason. Muslims hate us because of their religion. They use excuses like the newsweek story for justification for their jihads and other crazy things.

Yesterday there were large demonstration in Iraq against the United States and today the leader of Pakistan criticized American actions with prisoners of war. It appears more and more like everything we do in the Moslem world is fanning the flames of unrest and if the Israeli-Palestinian issue again heats up there will be yet another flashpoint in the Muslim world.


As usual you are wrong. The demonstrations were small and led by radical clerics who would rather have Saddam in power. That does not represent the Iraqi people the way you try to make it.
on May 21, 2005
Excellent Article!!

There are only two kinds of people who think that the war for freedom in Iraq is a failure...

Terrorists who are blind to the facts.

Ignorant idiots who choose to ignore the facts.
---PT2K

Thanks, PT....I agree completely.



It is not my assessment that is gloomy it is that of the Top American Generals. The reconstruction is way behind, security is poor and confidence of the people of Iraq is poor. I for one am not willing to see our brave military remain much longer. We have invested enough in Iraq. You can bellow all you want, Bush screwed this up by not providing the force levels to properly do the job. We sent LESS THEN HALF the forces the generals said were needed. Many American deaths and injuries have resulted from his decission!
---COLGene

You mean the generals who want more funding allocated in the budget? From what I've been told by people who, unlike yourself, have actually been there, the "confidence of the people in Iraq" is growing. Perhaps you read my article? It implied that our presence there has been a positive thing for the people, at least in some ways. I agree that we didn't have the right numbers to properly carry out the mission, but things are better now than they have been for some time. The elections you all said would never happen....happened. The election day massacres many you predicted....didn't. Things are improving, at least incremently, whether you want them to or not. I was wondering, then; since you keep expounding on the notion that we started this war with too few troops....what would be your reaction to a troop increase?




And that is just false. More troops could mean more targets.


True...but more troops would also mean more guns pointed at the bad guys.

ColGene, when did you become such a quitter. The one thing the terrorists are counting on is wimpy, spinless wastes of human flesh like you to get the U.S. to pull out of yet another operation.

Sir, if you were my commander, I would have a bullet with your name engraved on it. It is worthless pantywastes like you that have cost us so much integrity in the past.

I want you to find the footage of the Army Ranger being dragged through Mogadishu. It is because of vomit infested worms like you that our spineless Commander In Briefs (at the time) threw him to the wolfs.

Crawl back into the puss pond from which you oozed. You are an insult to freedom loving people, the uniform you disgraced, your rank and your nation.

Just crawl in a hole and disappear, just like you want us to do in Iraq.
---PT2K

Though I may agree with this in spirit, this is just mean. Let's control ourselves, huh, folks?
Honestly, it's like 1938 all over again!!!! Pat Buchanan is a tool of the Klu Klux Klan! I reject hypocrisy!

The head warmonger's War Against Stem Cell Research must end now!!! Power to the whales!!!!

Down with fascism!!! This administration can neglect billions of insurgent transgendered women, in the name of "allies"? We've seen this before, in Antarctica, when pagans were clubbed! (Or is THAT supposed to be a secret!!!!?) Get real!!!!
--LW

I agree completely! Power to the rainforest Spotted Owl welfare recipients! Down with Jingoistic Bushhitler rhetoric! You go, grrrrl! (I did this one by myself; whattaya think?)



Parated2K

The war in Iraq did not making the United States safer. We should never have gone into Iraq and it is time for them to take responsibility for their country. If they fail to do that the consequences are on them not us. to contain place our military in danger serves no useful purpose. Most of the people in that country what us to go home. You chase an illusion that is costing us lives, injuries and billions of dollars that we need for more important issues then Iraq
---COLGene

And if we did that, you'd condemn us for leaving them in the lurch, just as the Left did when the Taliban took control in Afghanistan after the withdrawal of Soviet forces.



excellant article, and I am sorry I did not see it when first posted, I been kinda lost r.w. and btw a good rule of thumb for this is , how many liberal bush haters scream when they see this, if they have the nerve to comment in the first place.
---ModMan

That's okay, Mod....thanks for the advice (with which I agree), and for posting.

Read SPC Nobobdy Special! His stuff is pure gold! Thanks RW for bringing it to the forums.
---Dr. Guy

Yeah, Spc.NS is great. You're welcome....I'm glad it's being
read, especially by a few lefties, who really need to read it.



You are the cowards that would send our young men and women into a country where the people demonstrate for another 9/11. You and Bush are deluding yourself if you believe what we are doing in Iraq is making us friends in the Muslim world. Under the surface we are hated and for us to be sacrificing our young men and women in this endeavor for people who hate us is unconscionable. I have far more reguard for our military having served my country for 30 years then you idiots who spew out your dribble on this blog site.
---COL Gene

And you know all this how? By talking to your other depressed, anti-war friends and comrades-in-arms? I see lots of pictures of smiling Iraqis chatting with American troops (strangely, those pics are never in the papers or newsmags). I get letters from friends serving there now which verify those pictures. You believe howyou want to believe and we'll believe the truth.

drmiler

look at the riots in Afghanistan. The riots in Iraq. look at the terrorist bombings against American assets throughout the world. Look at the insurgency in Iraq. Only a moron would believe that the Muslims have any regard for Americans. At best some Muslims tolerate us and many hate us. You are the COWARD that would send our young men and women to their death in an atmosphere like Iraq. I think YOU should be sent to Iraq!
--COL Gene

Yes, the insurgents come from other countries where Americans are hated. But perhaps the people of Iraq are discovering that we're not anywhere near what they were told we were like? I, myself,would gladly go to Iraq. Had I not had a siezure in Basic and been discharged, I most likely would have been there now.





Where do you get your information from? There was in fact so much PROOF during the war that Pentagon tried to stifle it by (a) the whole embedding of journalists fiasco and ( by trying to destroy and interrupt Al Jezzera news network transmissions and openly whining that the footage they were showing was "just too real".

Something which continues to this day.

Cowardice if anything is trying to suppress the bloody horror of what you've done just because it might make you look bad or lose a few votes. If your going to run about the world saving us all from ourselves then the very least you could do it portray it honestly.

In war people die. When they die they become a dead body. Therefore images and reporting of war scenes and stories should show dead bodies. Santising news coverage just because its all too real and might interrupt someones tv dinner is the real tradegy and the real cowardice.

Perhaps if the Pentagon allowed you to see more of this *proof* you wouldn't hanker so rabidly for miltary confrontation. Either way the proof is there, its just your not as free a nation as you like to think you are. You dont get the proof because your not allowed to have it.

The rest of us are told, shown and given a more truthful version of events.
----BigrickS

I'd be interested to see some of this non-biased "proof"....send it to my bathroom and I'll wipe my ass with it. You sound English; if you are, then all I can say is that the news media in Europe is far more Left-leaning than it is here, and has never supported our efforts.

Lucas Bailey: Thanks for post #27



But maybe since you're so hot to trot on needing proof DrMil, you could give us that WMD evidence the rest of world is still waiting for hmmm? Have you had a chance to locate them yet...or are you still too busy zipping up the body bags of your dead country yokle grunts?


This is just wrong. So wrong. Please remove yourself and do not post on anything I write, ever again.

I saw this article the first time you posted it and was impressed. If only all arguments for perceived failures in Iraq were met with this kind of rational explanation I'd be a lot more believing. I like seeing the reasons behind why, exactly, things aren't working, so hearing from engineers that the system just can't handle it is persuasive. Certainly more persuasive than hearing righties say, "how dare you question how things are going? Of course there's going to be problems!"

But unfortunately generally there's just talk about good intentions and 'wars for freedom', stuff my marketing-raised mind simply rejects out of hand as meaningless propaganda. If only the obviously jingoistic news reports were replaced with this kind of reasonableness I may have felt more ambivalent about the 'badness' of the Iraq war earlier, rather than it taking until Rightwinger posted this one the first time.

If you've got any more like this (and don't bother pointing me to the defence website) I'd love to see it.
--Cacto

Thanks, cacto..... coming from you, this is saying something. I'm collecting them (articles like this), and would like to post them somewhere myself. If that happens anytime soon, I'll let you know.



So, Gene....are you equating ALL muslims (or, in the very least, most closely to all) to terrorists? That is so....liberal of your thinking.....and this coming from a "moderate republican"
MythicalM

Heh...heh...heh...

Thank you to all who've posted so far.
on May 21, 2005
Very refreshing to read positive information coming from someone who's actually been there and involved instead of garbage coming from armchair idiots who don't have a clue.
on May 21, 2005
The 15,000 who demonstarted in Iraq, the thousands involved with attacks each day in Iraq, the nuts in their schools that teach their youth to hate Americans. Make believe we are winning the hearts of the Moslems if that makes you feel good. IT IS NOT TRUE!!!!
on May 21, 2005

The 15,000 who demonstarted in Iraq, the thousands involved with attacks each day in Iraq, the nuts in their schools that teach their youth to hate Americans. Make believe we are winning the hearts of the Moslems if that makes you feel good. IT IS NOT TRUE!!!!


NO the CRAP your spewing is not true! Take your Bush hating crap and go tell it to someone who a) will listen and someone that just might give a damn!
on May 21, 2005
The 15,000 who demonstarted in Iraq, the thousands involved with attacks each day in Iraq, the nuts in their schools that teach their youth to hate Americans. Make believe we are winning the hearts of the Moslems if that makes you feel good. IT IS NOT TRUE!!!!


I believe you really were an officer. You're not smart enough to have been anything else.
on May 21, 2005
BTW the media does NOT want to report facts! FACTS DON'T SELL! And just an FYI how about over 2 dozen high performance Migs that were found buried in the sands around Baghdad?


Yeah and so wheres your PROOF? And even if you had some (which you dont) since when does a Mig constitute WMD?

Dr Mil just wants to conquer Bagdad so he can get himself some new slaves. Whats the matter have the Negros back home got too many rights now so you have to sail half way around the world to find some new brown peoples to start pushing around?

You dont have any proof because your government lied to you and there is none. What a crap predicament for you to be in. Your government despises you and your so helpless all you can do is kiss their ass.

And dont go confusing YOUR media with the worlds media. The rest of us have the facts. Its just your White House Poodle Press that doesn't report the facts.

We watch your dead bodies roll off the meat wagons every other night.
on May 22, 2005
BTW the media does NOT want to report facts! FACTS DON'T SELL! And just an FYI how about over 2 dozen high performance Migs that were found buried in the sands around Baghdad?


Yeah and so wheres your PROOF? And even if you had some (which you dont) since when does a Mig constitute WMD?


Here's your proof, fool

Link

Link

Or this:

No WMDs? Tons of Uranium, Sarin Gas, Buried MiGs

The U.S. has ended the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, with the press here and abroad describing the effort as an abject failure that turned up no evidence whatsoever that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction.

Even President Bush appears to be throwing in the towel, telling ABC's Barbara Walters in an interview set for broadcast Friday night:

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"I felt like we’d find weapons of mass destruction – like many here in the United States, many around the world. We need to find out what went wrong in the intelligence gathering."
Predictably, Democrats are rushing to make political hay over the news.

"Now that the search is finished, President Bush needs to explain to the American people why he was so wrong, for so long, about the reasons for war," demanded top House Dem Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday, filled with pseudo outrage.

Instead of taking Pelosi's advice, Bush would do better to explain to the American people just what U.S. forces did find in their search for banned weapons in Iraq - starting with, for instance, the 1.8 tons of partially enriched uranium Saddam had socked away.

Here's how the Associated Press covered that news last June:

"In a secret operation, the United States last month removed from Iraq nearly two tons of uranium and hundreds of highly radioactive items that could have been used in a so-called dirty bomb, the Energy Department disclosed Tuesday.

"The nuclear material was secured from Iraq's former nuclear research facility and airlifted out of the country to an undisclosed Energy Department laboratory for further analysis," the AP said.

"Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham described the previously undisclosed operation, which was concluded June 23, as 'a major achievement' in an attempt to 'keep potentially dangerous nuclear material out of the hands of terrorists.'"

And if Bush needs more ammunition to refute Pelosi, he could cite the discovery of Sarin gas-filled artillery shells.

"We've found 10 or 12 Sarin and Mustard rounds," Iraq Survey Group chief Charles Duelfer told Fox News, after his team uncovered the WMD cache last June.

"We're finding things and we're getting reports of hidden caches almost every day which we have to investigate," Duelfer added.

And if the White House wants some dramatic imagery to show how easy it was for Saddam to hide banned weapons, how about those photos of the 30 Iraqi jet fighters that weapons searchers found buried in the sand near Baghdad.

Here's how the Associated Press covered that development in August 2003:

"American teams hunting for Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction found dozens of fighter jets from Iraq's air force buried beneath the sands, U.S. officials say.

"At least one Cold War-era MiG-25 interceptor was found when searchers saw the tops of its twin tail fins poking up from the sands, said one Pentagon official familiar with the hunt. He said search teams have found several MiG-25s and Su-25 ground attack jets buried at al-Taqqadum air field west of Baghdad. ..."

The find astonished even then-House Intelligence Committee Chairman, now CIA Director, Porter Goss.

"Our guys have found 30-something brand new aircraft buried in the sand to deny us access to them," Goss told the AP. "These are craft we didn't know about."

No weapons of mass destruction? President Bush needs to spend more time examining the evidence and less time working through his mea culpas with Barbara Walters.


Link

Next time do your own research.
on May 22, 2005
hmm, hey BRS, how are you going to answer this one....

on May 22, 2005
"Our guys have found 30-something brand new aircraft buried in the sand to deny us access to them," said Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Republican Porter Goss.

"These are craft we didn't know about," he said.


Yeah o.k so why did you invade again? You didn't know they rubbish tips in the desert. So wheres all the WMD you said they had.

At least one of the MiGs was found with its tail fins poking out of the sand, the agency quoted the Pentagon official as saying. It said many of the planes were buried with little protection and might never fly again.

WMD - Hardly! they dont even work! Is this what you call a clear and imminent danger? A 45min attack capability. It probably took several hours just to dig them out.

God! Talk about grasping at straws.

Here i got some pictures too. Mr Defender of Freedom.



Which is worse ..... a few useless Migs...or this.
on May 22, 2005
Where's the button you press to make him dance?


Well unfortunately US troops have already tortured him to death. So he wont be able to dance for you anymore. But since you're obviously the comedian perhaps you'd also like to make some jokes about the gassing of Jewish women and children?
on May 22, 2005
The 15,000 who demonstarted in Iraq, the thousands involved with attacks each day in Iraq, the nuts in their schools that teach their youth to hate Americans. Make believe we are winning the hearts of the Moslems if that makes you feel good. IT IS NOT TRUE!!!!


Col, you really don't know what you are talking about. As if people can't figure that out already.
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