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I'm re-posting this for people like COLGene
Published on May 20, 2005 By Rightwinger In Politics
As a reply to an article COLGene posted today, I put this up again......


Among the many complaints I see here on JU and hear from other sources about American efforts to establish solid democratic governing in Iraq are complaints about the infrastructure there. Many opponents of our involvement there often point out that public utilities do not operate efficiently; electricity, for example, is or was limited to just a few hours a day. "Why is this?" they ask; "it always seemed to work well enough under Saddam...why is it that we can't get it to work? Aren't we supposed to be giving them everything they had and more? We're failing! We must withdraw!"

A recent article in the local paper here (it was on the front page, too, which surprised me, as it really is an extrememly left-leaning rag) goes a long way toward explaining the reasons why the utilities are not operating as well under the new government as they did under the former dictatorship.

A groundskeeper at a local university, Mr. Mark Haney, recently returned from a 14-month tour of duty in Iraq, where, as a Lt. Colonel in Civil Affairs Dept. in the Army Reserves, he helped the local government around Baghdad to get things up and running again.

"The problems with the electrical system were just one indication of what life was like under Saddam," he explained. "No, the power system didn't break down under Saddam, essentially because few people could actually use it." Under Saddam's rule you had to "have a special permit to have an air conditioner or electric stove. To get a permit required knowing the right people---and paying a bribe."
The result was that practically no one had either of these items in their homes. After Saddam and his government was taken down, the need for those permits suddenly disappeared, and air conditioners and electric stoves by the skidful could be found for sale on the streets, and people of course started buying them. The electrical system, neglected for years under Saddam, couldn't handle the drain; the military decided that adding generators would solve the problem. "The real problem, though," Haney said, "was that the lines were so old and inefficient that a quarter of the electricity was lost before it was delivered to the homes."
The same kinds of problems existed with gasoline. There were never lines for gas in Iraq before the war. "That," Haney said, "was because only a select few could own a car. To get a car required another special permit that, like so many other things, required a bribe." After Iraq fell, Iraqis began a frenzy of used-car buying that virtually covered the world, and truckloads of used cars began showing up and were purchased very quickly. The population of Baghdad is around 5 million, and there are few gas stations to service them.
In the sectors where Haney was in charge, there were about 1 million people, many of whom were now car owners who wanted to drive their shiny new vehicles, but only 32 gas pumps, which is the equivalent of having 8 gas pumps to service all of Fort Wayne, Indiana (which is the second largest city in that state, the first being Indianapolis, the capital).
One of the hard parts, according to Haney, was deciding what to do first, so he would go to the people and ask what they wanted. The State Dept. wanted to build schools, which was a good idea, but the people wanted things like water and sewage first, so they wouldn't have to haul their own to and from open sewers and springs or taps in 130-degree temperatures. So, Haney would approach Iraqi construction companies who would then bid on the projects to get the work done.
For $100,000 he managed to bring water service to "a violent section of Baghdad that had never had the luxury of water service under Saddam."
Haney restored water and electrical service to Zarwa Park, a local spot for picnics and family outings. He had the zoo rebuilt and cleaned and constructed new cages for lions, cheetahs, tigers and bears. He also had the concession booths and pavillions restored. As of his departure, thousands of people a day were visiting the restored zoo and park.
Accomplishing things such as installing sewers and water lines in Baghdad was fairly easy, according to Haney, because Saddam's regime had already had the plans drawn up so they could show them to the UN as plans drawn up by a western company and as evidence of progress. No one ever planned to act on them, is all. It would ask the UN for money from the Food for Oil program to do these things, then the money would mysteriously disappear, so nothing was ever done.
Haney said that he "tried to promote the advances made by American forces in-country", but "all the western media was concerned about and interested in was shootings and bombings."

One of the hardest parts of the job, Haney said, was making the Iraqis understand that the old system is gone, and that bribes are no longer necessary. Government now involves customer service and, though corruption of course still exists (especially among the Iraqi police and, since the US military police work with them, this makes the MPs unpopular and targets for insurgents. Regular troops, though, like the cavalry, for example, are most often left alone because they get things done), bribery is no longer the way to get a contract. There is a permanent ban in place on bribery and, as a result, the cost of construction projects has gone down.

Haney is a realist, though; he estimates that it will be perhaps another 10 years before Iraq will be able to come into its own and operate completely free of foreign intervention. In another year, he's planning on being sent back.


We are making progress, people, despite what the naysayers and doomcriers here in the States and in other nations say, and despite what stumbling blocks they put in our way.

I, for one, am proud of our military personnel there and and in Afghanistan and the job they're doing under difficult cultural, personal and military circumstances. Mark Haney's story is just one I've read like this, and stories like his need to be heard.

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on May 22, 2005
They retracted the article just after they "grabbed their corporate ankles" and cowtowed to the fascists running this country.


There are no facists running the country. Do you want to say anything else stupid today?
on May 22, 2005
The Newsweek report triggered protests that turned violent in Afghanistan and other countries, causing at least 16 deaths, although the degree to which the article was responsible remains unclear. Pentagon officials have blamed Newsweek, which is owned by The Washington Post Co., for sparking the violence, but Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said last week that his senior commander in Afghanistan had told him the riots were "not at all tied to the article."


Not at all what I would call proof of anything. They retracted the story. But, there is nothing in here that even discusses who did the killing. Nothing. And,
"Based on what we know now, we are retracting our original story that an internal military investigation had uncovered Quran abuse at Guantanamo Bay," Newsweek Editor Mark Whitaker said in a statement issued Monday afternoon.


Maybe what this is saying is that "an internal military investigation had uncovered abuse at Guantanamo Bay" was the reason for the retraction. NOT because they deemed it to be untrue. I'm getting a picture of Newsweek grabbing its corporate ankles.

Try this report the the LA Times Link

If you read through the article, you'll notice two things. First, the desecration of the Koran did occur; but secondly, after complaints about it surfaced, the Pentagon instructed its soldiers to stop it, and they did. So, no such desecrations occurred after 2002.

This is interesting. I do not know if the Newsweek article mentioned the dates of the desecration, and if not, that was truly irresponsible journalism. However, I do believe that they should have been more forthcoming regarding why they retracted the article. Again, not once did they say they retracted it because such event never occurred.

Another point which I made by my posting of Palast's story, and to which I have yet to see any counter argument is the fact that the deaths that resulted from this article were, in fact, committed by the Afghan army, not the protesters themselves. If true, that is a hugely significant piece of the story that the American mainstream media chose to omit from the telling of this entire incident. Huge ommission by any standards.
on May 22, 2005
Again, not once did they say they retracted it because such event never occurred.


They have no proof it did occur, therefore, it never happened and shouldn't have been printed. But that doesn't matter, anything to blame the U.S. takes priority over facts.


As it turned out, Newsweek now says, there was one source. And Mr. Whitaker said that because that source had "backed away" from his original account, the magazine could "no longer stand by" it.


Link
on May 22, 2005
Another point which I made by my posting of Palast's story, and to which I have yet to see any counter argument is the fact that the deaths that resulted from this article were, in fact, committed by the Afghan army, not the protesters themselves. If true, that is a hugely significant piece of the story that the American mainstream media chose to omit from the telling of this entire incident. Huge ommission by any standards.


Nice try, Now try again. The aafghan army was NOT involved. The police were.

In northeastern Badakhshan province, three men died when police opened fire trying to control hundreds of protesters in Baharak district, Gov. Abdul Majid said. Twenty-two people were reported hurt, including three police officers.

The protests began after Newsweek magazine reported in its May 9 edition that interrogators at the U.S. navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, placed Qur'ans in washrooms to unsettle suspects, and "flushed a holy book down the toilet."

Many of the 520 inmates at Guantanamo are Muslims arrested during the U.S.-led war against the Taliban and its al-Qaida allies in Afghanistan.

Protests over the Newsweek report erupted Tuesday in the eastern city of Jalalabad, and the killing of four rioters by police further enflamed passions. Demonstrations - many of them violent - have occurred in at least 12 Afghan towns and cities.


Officials said a protester was killed when police fired during a riot after prayers in the northwestern town of Qala-e-Naw and another died from a gunshot wound in Gardez, near the Pakistani border.

Saudi Arabia joined fellow U.S. ally Pakistan in registering dismay over the Newsweek allegations, as did the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference and Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, a banned militant religious movement.

But aside from Afghans, few in Muslim lands have taken to the streets.

Some 1,500 activists from the Islamic militant group Hamas staged an anti-U.S. protest Friday in the Gaza Strip, chanting "Protect our holy book." About 50 people demonstrated in the eastern city of Makassar in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country.

An appeal by Pakistan's opposition Islamic coalition Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal for Muslims to protest after Friday prayers fell flat. Only a few hundred people turned out for peaceful demonstrations in Islamabad, Lahore and Peshawar.

"By insulting the Qur'an, they have challenged our belief. We are hurt. . . . If we don't rise against Americans, if we don't give them a strong message today, they will do it again," cleric Hafiz Hussain Ahmad told worshippers at a mosque in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital.


on May 22, 2005
Two things LW,one, awful joke, and IMO, unnecessary,you could've used another one. and two, who the hell is that you're using as a id pic....?
on May 22, 2005
I guess it's nice to know what you are really good at, whipsy. Foaming at the mouth kind of suit you.
on May 22, 2005
dabey wabey


--This is a nice name compared to others.....




on May 23, 2005
Remember, you asked for it, and I aim to please!


Yep you're a real class act. Although Im sure you must find it just as easy to please yourself. Given you've clearly no standards.
on May 23, 2005
If you want to lick dabe's musty ass-crack, that's your business, but don't you ever, ever advise me as to how I should deal with her.


Look out! she'll be out ta git ya (whatever that means).

So foul, in fact, that I hope it gets your miserable ass grounded to your own blog.


Well, based on your completely loverly statement above, which is about as foul as it gets, then you're comin' down wif me. Dang, girl, you are ridiculous.

Yep you're a real class act. Although Im sure you must find it just as easy to please yourself. Given you've clearly no standards.


Yup, hard not to notice. But, they all love her here. Kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it. Hmmmmmmm....... oh never mind........... I'll keep that thought to myself.
on May 23, 2005
Where's the button you press to make him dance?


That's really a picture from 1975, LW; it's an early version of Darth Vader's costume. And besides, it was acknowledged that the wires they clipped to his fingers weren't really attached to anything. A dirty trick, but far removed from the kind of torture the Iraqi forces would have given us. And as to the above riddle, I say we refer it to the Modman....he might have more insight in the matter.

Bigrick, I asked you not to post here again. I don't believe in blacklisting anyone, but the quote below prompted me to ask you to remove yourself.....

But maybe since you're so hot to trot on needing proof DrMil, you could give us that WMD evidence the rest of world is still waiting for hmmm? Have you had a chance to locate them yet...or are you still too busy zipping up the body bags of your dead country yokle grunts?


I will blacklist you if you continue to post on my threads. Any of them. I like more or less everyone here, no matter how much I disagree with them, but you, who would write a disgusting and heartless comment like that and follow it up with a "laughing" emoticon.....? Get lost, creep.
on May 23, 2005
What the hell is it to you?


--was just wondering, reminds me of a movie i saw, and this movie was just a bit out there,good movie, but one i definantly do not think children should watch...

Why is that, because you didn't get it?


--I got it, its just one of those you've gotta shake your head at (was referring the israeli joke..btw)

You can take this advice for what it's worth, it's not wise to get between me and my target, lest you be quick-fried to a crackling crunch.

If you want to lick dabe's musty ass-crack, that's your business, but don't you ever, ever advise me as to how I should deal with her.


--No, i am just saying you could just as easily deal with dabe without such things...but thats MO (no hard feelings...k?)
on May 23, 2005
What the hell is it to you?


--was just wondering, reminds me of a movie i saw, and this movie was just a bit out there,good movie, but one i definantly do not think children should watch...

Why is that, because you didn't get it?


--I got it, its just one of those you've gotta shake your head at (was referring the israeli joke..btw)

You can take this advice for what it's worth, it's not wise to get between me and my target, lest you be quick-fried to a crackling crunch.

If you want to lick dabe's musty ass-crack, that's your business, but don't you ever, ever advise me as to how I should deal with her.


--No, i am just saying you could just as easily deal with dabe without such things...but thats MO (no hard feelings...k?)
on May 23, 2005
Well, based on your completely loverly statement above, which is about as foul as it gets, then you're comin' down wif me


Dream on. I'd enjoy myself over the next few days if I were you, dabe, Karma is out of the office till Thursday, but she *does* have mail to consider.

You seem to have real trouble distinguishing between light-hearted jests, debate and disagreement, and even general conversation, seeing each exchange as a personal attack.

Fortunately, that's not my problem, its yours. If I'm to be grounded, then so would MM, drmiler, Bakerstreet, Marcie, Gideon, Dr Guy, and countless others who have been complaining about your behavior since the day you reared your nasty head in JU


Well, everything she has said is in Karma's mailbox waiting for her to read it when she gets back.
on May 23, 2005
Thank you, RW. And, just so we're clear, I find you to be blinded by your jingo nationalistic, ill-informed patriotic furvor and a moron.
--dabe

Dabe, how do you know it's not YOU and your cohorts who are the ones who are ill-informed? After the recent huge scandals in the media that show their blind hatred for the Bush Administration and the war effort? Why can't you accept that much of what you see, hear and read is purposely slanted and perhaps even rewritten? So much of the good things this war has accomplished is ignored, for the benefit of anti-Bush peaceniks(and I often have to wonder if the Left's anti-war fervor would be quite so high if Bush had been a democrat. There wouldn't have been the sour grapes factor to contend with) and their arguments.
You probably had trouble suppressing your rage as you read my article (if in fact you did), getting out the duct tape and wrapping it around your head to keep it from exploding from the dual messages; the anti-war, anti-Bush rhetoric already engraved on your brain, and the message you were reading here. I bet your dilemma played out something like this:

"Hmmm....The war is having positive effects, too! How weird is that! IT CAN'T BE! OH no... Maybe the media, by and large, isn't being completely honest with the American people? Oh geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez! I caaaaaaaaaaaan't taaaaake iiiiit! (frantically adds more duct tape)
BUSHITLER IMPERIALISTIC JINGOISTIC NATIONALISTIC NAZI WHALES NOAM CHOMSKY GAY ABORTION WOMEN'S RIGHTS!!!!!!"

Ahhh...bet that made you feel better, huh? Got hings back on track.

One thing I noticed, dabe, was that absolutely NOTHING you posted here refers to the article I wrote. Why is that? Because none of its message fits in with your Left-wing propaganda biased, self-deluded anti-Bush crap? You and those like you don't want to hear things like this because it just might mean that things aren't anywhere near as bad as you want them to be.

I hope Iraq becomes the next fucking Japan, dabe, just so petulant, tunnel-vision impared, Left-wing haters like you can sit around in your little cliques and cry. I'll bring the Kleenex.
on May 23, 2005
It was requested, BY THE AUTHOR OF THIS THREAD (whom I happen to like, very much)...see?


Why...thank you LW (blush).
Unless I'm wrong, the avatar pic is the girl from "The Fifth Element"...or Marilyn Manson.
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