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I'm re-posting this for people like COLGene
Published on May 20, 2005 By Rightwinger In Politics
As a reply to an article COLGene posted today, I put this up again......


Among the many complaints I see here on JU and hear from other sources about American efforts to establish solid democratic governing in Iraq are complaints about the infrastructure there. Many opponents of our involvement there often point out that public utilities do not operate efficiently; electricity, for example, is or was limited to just a few hours a day. "Why is this?" they ask; "it always seemed to work well enough under Saddam...why is it that we can't get it to work? Aren't we supposed to be giving them everything they had and more? We're failing! We must withdraw!"

A recent article in the local paper here (it was on the front page, too, which surprised me, as it really is an extrememly left-leaning rag) goes a long way toward explaining the reasons why the utilities are not operating as well under the new government as they did under the former dictatorship.

A groundskeeper at a local university, Mr. Mark Haney, recently returned from a 14-month tour of duty in Iraq, where, as a Lt. Colonel in Civil Affairs Dept. in the Army Reserves, he helped the local government around Baghdad to get things up and running again.

"The problems with the electrical system were just one indication of what life was like under Saddam," he explained. "No, the power system didn't break down under Saddam, essentially because few people could actually use it." Under Saddam's rule you had to "have a special permit to have an air conditioner or electric stove. To get a permit required knowing the right people---and paying a bribe."
The result was that practically no one had either of these items in their homes. After Saddam and his government was taken down, the need for those permits suddenly disappeared, and air conditioners and electric stoves by the skidful could be found for sale on the streets, and people of course started buying them. The electrical system, neglected for years under Saddam, couldn't handle the drain; the military decided that adding generators would solve the problem. "The real problem, though," Haney said, "was that the lines were so old and inefficient that a quarter of the electricity was lost before it was delivered to the homes."
The same kinds of problems existed with gasoline. There were never lines for gas in Iraq before the war. "That," Haney said, "was because only a select few could own a car. To get a car required another special permit that, like so many other things, required a bribe." After Iraq fell, Iraqis began a frenzy of used-car buying that virtually covered the world, and truckloads of used cars began showing up and were purchased very quickly. The population of Baghdad is around 5 million, and there are few gas stations to service them.
In the sectors where Haney was in charge, there were about 1 million people, many of whom were now car owners who wanted to drive their shiny new vehicles, but only 32 gas pumps, which is the equivalent of having 8 gas pumps to service all of Fort Wayne, Indiana (which is the second largest city in that state, the first being Indianapolis, the capital).
One of the hard parts, according to Haney, was deciding what to do first, so he would go to the people and ask what they wanted. The State Dept. wanted to build schools, which was a good idea, but the people wanted things like water and sewage first, so they wouldn't have to haul their own to and from open sewers and springs or taps in 130-degree temperatures. So, Haney would approach Iraqi construction companies who would then bid on the projects to get the work done.
For $100,000 he managed to bring water service to "a violent section of Baghdad that had never had the luxury of water service under Saddam."
Haney restored water and electrical service to Zarwa Park, a local spot for picnics and family outings. He had the zoo rebuilt and cleaned and constructed new cages for lions, cheetahs, tigers and bears. He also had the concession booths and pavillions restored. As of his departure, thousands of people a day were visiting the restored zoo and park.
Accomplishing things such as installing sewers and water lines in Baghdad was fairly easy, according to Haney, because Saddam's regime had already had the plans drawn up so they could show them to the UN as plans drawn up by a western company and as evidence of progress. No one ever planned to act on them, is all. It would ask the UN for money from the Food for Oil program to do these things, then the money would mysteriously disappear, so nothing was ever done.
Haney said that he "tried to promote the advances made by American forces in-country", but "all the western media was concerned about and interested in was shootings and bombings."

One of the hardest parts of the job, Haney said, was making the Iraqis understand that the old system is gone, and that bribes are no longer necessary. Government now involves customer service and, though corruption of course still exists (especially among the Iraqi police and, since the US military police work with them, this makes the MPs unpopular and targets for insurgents. Regular troops, though, like the cavalry, for example, are most often left alone because they get things done), bribery is no longer the way to get a contract. There is a permanent ban in place on bribery and, as a result, the cost of construction projects has gone down.

Haney is a realist, though; he estimates that it will be perhaps another 10 years before Iraq will be able to come into its own and operate completely free of foreign intervention. In another year, he's planning on being sent back.


We are making progress, people, despite what the naysayers and doomcriers here in the States and in other nations say, and despite what stumbling blocks they put in our way.

I, for one, am proud of our military personnel there and and in Afghanistan and the job they're doing under difficult cultural, personal and military circumstances. Mark Haney's story is just one I've read like this, and stories like his need to be heard.

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on May 20, 2005
drmiler

look at the riots in Afghanistan. The riots in Iraq. look at the terrorist bombings against American assets throughout the world. Look at the insurgency in Iraq. Only a moron would believe that the Muslims have any regard for Americans. At best some Muslims tolerate us and many hate us. You are the COWARD that would send our young men and women to their death in an atmosphere like Iraq. I think YOU should be sent to Iraq!
on May 20, 2005
You are the COWARD that would send our young men and women to their death in an atmosphere like Iraq. I think YOU should be sent to Iraq


at least doc and I would go defend if we could where you would run away like the cowards of another war I remember.
on May 20, 2005
No *your* the coward who has absolutely NO PROOF of this!


Where do you get your information from? There was in fact so much PROOF during the war that Pentagon tried to stifle it by (a) the whole embedding of journalists fiasco and ( by trying to destroy and interrupt Al Jezzera news network transmissions and openly whining that the footage they were showing was "just too real".

Something which continues to this day.

Cowardice if anything is trying to suppress the bloody horror of what you've done just because it might make you look bad or lose a few votes. If your going to run about the world saving us all from ourselves then the very least you could do it portray it honestly.

In war people die. When they die they become a dead body. Therefore images and reporting of war scenes and stories should show dead bodies. Santising news coverage just because its all too real and might interrupt someones tv dinner is the real tradegy and the real cowardice.

Perhaps if the Pentagon allowed you to see more of this *proof* you wouldn't hanker so rabidly for miltary confrontation. Either way the proof is there, its just your not as free a nation as you like to think you are. You dont get the proof because your not allowed to have it.

The rest of us are told, shown and given a more truthful version of events.
on May 20, 2005
drmiler

look at the riots in Afghanistan.


Like I said NO PROOF! The riots you are referring to are because of a "supposed" abuse of the koran. NOT because of our presence in the area.
on May 20, 2005
I think YOU should be sent to Iraq!


If they would let me I would gladly do so, unlike another on this list whom I think would not!
on May 20, 2005
Where do you get your information from? There was in fact so much PROOF during the war that Pentagon tried to stifle it by (a) the whole embedding of journalists fiasco and ( by trying to destroy and interrupt Al Jezzera news network transmissions and openly whining that the footage they were showing was "just too real".

Something which continues to this day.

Cowardice if anything is trying to suppress the bloody horror of what you've done just because it might make you look bad or lose a few votes. If your going to run about the world saving us all from ourselves then the very least you could do it portray it honestly.

In war people die. When they die they become a dead body. Therefore images and reporting of war scenes and stories should show dead bodies. Sanitizing news coverage just because its all too real and might interrupt someones tv dinner is the real tragedy and the real cowardice.

Perhaps if the Pentagon allowed you to see more of this *proof* you wouldn't hanker so rabidly for military confrontation. Either way the proof is there, its just your not as free a nation as you like to think you are. You don't get the proof because your not allowed to have it.

The rest of us are told, shown and given a more truthful version of events.


More ignorant drivel from the left! Our men and women are dead. "WHY" sensationalize that? Which is EXACTLY what the media wants to do. The bodies should NOT be shown!
on May 20, 2005
Where do you get your information from?


I'm not sure just where you get your information from but you need to find a new source.
on May 21, 2005
You are the cowards that would send our young men and women into a country where the people demonstrate for another 9/11. You and Bush are deluding yourself if you believe what we are doing in Iraq is making us friends in the Muslim world. Under the surface we are hated and for us to be sacrificing our young men and women in this endeavor for people who hate us is unconscionable. I have far more reguard for our military having served my country for 30 years then you idiots who spew out your dribble on this blog site.


--They only demonstrate because they are being told differently...and also:

--I take offense btw to your comment: "I have far more reguard for our military having served my country for 30 years then you idiots who spew out your dribble on this blog site."My mother, father, uncle, grandfather, grandmother, cousin, brother,and many others have fought for people like you, and others, in the military. My eldest brother lost his ability to walk, and on his way home, he was "fortunate" (sarcasm) enough to see anti-war protestors...

look at the riots in Afghanistan. The riots in Iraq. look at the terrorist bombings against American assets throughout the world. Look at the insurgency in Iraq. Only a moron would believe that the Muslims have any regard for Americans. At best some Muslims tolerate us and many hate us. You are the COWARD that would send our young men and women to their death in an atmosphere like Iraq. I think YOU should be sent to Iraq!


--I remember seeing a show (Nightline i believe) that talked about that a majority of those who do suicide bombing do not believe in the cause, that they do so to benefit there family...i don't remember the details, it was about a year or two ago...

--Col, My fiance(soon to be wife) has regard for me, and all other americans, and she is 2 years removed from saudi arabia....hmm? would you like to comment on that...be my guest... why do countless iraqi men, women, and children help our troops, children stopping armored tanks to keep them from hitting road bombs, if they truly hated us...why don't they all just rise up and take us out...

--you are the Coward, one who says "yeah soldiers" out of one side of your mouth and then criticizes out of the other, go back to where ever you are from,please...They knew what they are being sent to when they joined.

B'AH!
on May 21, 2005
Our men and women are dead. "WHY" sensationalize that? Which is EXACTLY what the media wants to do. The bodies should NOT be shown!


Well thats classic right wing doctrine. Lambasting the media for actually wanting to report the facts. I mean where do they get off huh?

And its not as if Bush ever sensationlises anything is it?


But maybe since you're so hot to trot on needing proof DrMil, you could give us that WMD evidence the rest of world is still waiting for hmmm? Have you had a chance to locate them yet...or are you still too busy zipping up the body bags of your dead country yokle grunts?


Dunno why im bothering with a confederate anyway. Didn't you LOSE that war about 150 years ago?
on May 21, 2005
Lambasting


--Lamb Basting...actually quite good, add a little honey barbeue.... (Sracasm LOL)

the media for actually wanting to report the facts. I mean where do they get off huh


--Facts...at times the media couldn't find facts if they were standing naked in front of them and doing the hula...also, the media reports to sell,thats it, purely economic...

But maybe since you're so hot to trot on needing proof DrMil, you could give us that WMD evidence the rest of world is still waiting for hmmm? Have you had a chance to locate them yet...or are you still too busy zipping up the body bags of your dead country yokle grunts?


--That was rude...very rude.

--One thing at a time, first, we need to find a brain for at least one democrat... (LOL)
on May 21, 2005
One thing at a time, first, we need to find a brain for at least one democrat... (LOL)


Well then you might try Monica Lewinskis mouth. I hear everything else democratic is in there.
on May 21, 2005
I saw this article the first time you posted it and was impressed. If only all arguments for perceived failures in Iraq were met with this kind of rational explanation I'd be a lot more believing. I like seeing the reasons behind why, exactly, things aren't working, so hearing from engineers that the system just can't handle it is persuasive. Certainly more persuasive than hearing righties say, "how dare you question how things are going? Of course there's going to be problems!"

But unfortunately generally there's just talk about good intentions and 'wars for freedom', stuff my marketing-raised mind simply rejects out of hand as meaningless propaganda. If only the obviously jingoistic news reports were replaced with this kind of reasonableness I may have felt more ambivalent about the 'badness' of the Iraq war earlier, rather than it taking until Rightwinger posted this one the first time.

If you've got any more like this (and don't bother pointing me to the defence website) I'd love to see it.
on May 21, 2005
ColGene, when did you become such a quitter. The one thing the terrorists are counting on is wimpy, spinless wastes of human flesh like you to get the U.S. to pull out of yet another operation.

Sir, if you were my commander, I would have a bullet with your name engraved on it. It is worthless pantywastes like you that have cost us so much integrity in the past.

I want you to find the footage of the Army Ranger being dragged through Mogadishu. It is because of vomit infested worms like you that our spineless Commander In Briefs (at the time) threw him to the wolfs.

Crawl back into the puss pond from which you oozed. You are an insult to freedom loving people, the uniform you disgraced, your rank and your nation.

Just crawl in a hole and disappear, just like you want us to do in Iraq.




AMEN AND AMEN!!!!!
on May 21, 2005
look at the riots in Afghanistan. The riots in Iraq. look at the terrorist bombings against American assets throughout the world. Look at the insurgency in Iraq. Only a moron would believe that the Muslims have any regard for Americans. At best some Muslims tolerate us and many hate us. You are the COWARD that would send our young men and women to their death in an atmosphere like Iraq. I think YOU should be sent to Iraq!



So, Gene....are you equating ALL muslims (or, in the very least, most closely to all) to terrorists? That is so....liberal of your thinking.....and this coming from a "moderate republican"
on May 21, 2005
Lambasting the media for actually wanting to report the facts.




Now that is a contradicting statement....how many times have the media reported the facts that were indeed facts lately?

The media is around to do one thing...make money. The only way they can make money off the rank and file left is to sensationalize whatever is going on....report the facts as they see them. Not the facts as they truly are.
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