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Why do they still believe in it?
Published on November 15, 2005 By Rightwinger In Blogging
Every once in a while on here, I'll see an article or a stray comment in a discussion that casts a favorable light on, or wistfully refers to, Communism and its long-touted wonders. We've all seen them here and there. I mean, we've even got our own Commies and Socies here on JU.
What I don't get is how people can still look favorably on such a horribly repressive, corrupt and proven inefficient system, a system that only seems to foster dictators and tyrants. It makes no sense to me. Even, hell,---ESPECIALLY---the people who lived under it are glad it's gone.
The NeoComms (we'll call them) say, "Well, okay, it didn't work....but maybe if we change this, or maybe if we do that, it will." The only thing wrong with that is that it's exactly what Stalin thought; it's exactly what Mao thought...Castro...Pol Pot. The promised Utopia failed to emerge, but "goshdarnit, we'll make it work, no matter what". And people have died by the millions. Pogroms, purges, collectivization, wars, policies of oppression aimed at individuals and groups, assassinations, etc....millions dead. Some say as many as 100 million. Perhaps more. Exact numbers from Mao's "Great Leap Forward" are, to this day, still unavailable.

I'm reading a book right now...it's called "Reagan's War" by Peter Schweizer, which details Reagan's forty-year struggle and campaign against Communism, first in Hollywood and at last on the international level, challenging it directly.
On page 213, in the second paragraph, a few lines especially leapt out at me:

"Surprised diplomats even encountered support for Reagan's policies among the Soviet intelligentsia. 'One hears (Soviet) intellectuals praising the US Administration's foreign policy, since toughness is the only thing the Soviet leaders understand'."

How ironic is it that, here in the West, our so-called "intellectuals" are usually the Neocomms, the ones praising the ways and means of communism, to this day, really, while their counterparts in the USSR were secretly giving the thumbs-up to their nation's enemy---that rabid, conservative, capitalist pig Ronald Reagan. And can anyone tell me why, children? If you haven't figured it out, I'll tell you:
Because those here in the West never actually had to live there, that's why. They never had to live in a police state that flagrantly censored their words. Western "intellectuals" never lived a under a terribly repressive government that tossed them into prison or, worse, mental hospitals, if they voiced dissent. Never had to fear that midnight knock on the door. Never had to suffer shortages and to do without so the State could function.
Only our geniuses here in the West seem to think it's a sad thing that we won. Only they hate Reagan for being right all along.

Communism works, but only it you're willing to allow the oppression of the masses, and, of course, to kill for it.


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on Nov 15, 2005

Only our geniuses here in the West seem to think it's a sad thing that we won.[/quote[]

Sad, isn't it?

on Nov 15, 2005
Lousy Commieeees!!!!

---Gen. 'Howling Bull' Hallenby (From the Jerry Lewis Movie, Way ....Way Out!, 1966 )

on Nov 15, 2005
I keep asking our resident commies to go ahead and move to china, vietnam or even better north korea if they think communisim is so wonderful, I have even volenteered to help them with the paperwork denouncing american citizenship, have also offered to buy them airfare {one way of course} but somehow much to my chagrin no one has taken me up on my more than generous offers.
on Nov 16, 2005

Only our geniuses here in the West seem to think it's a sad thing that we won.


A large percentage of the population of East Germany voted for the "former" communists in the last elections. They got 10% of the popular vote in all of Germany (the west has a much larger population than the east) and won several constituencies in East-Berlin.
on Nov 16, 2005

A large percentage of the population of East Germany voted for the "former" communists in the last elections. They got 10% of the popular vote in all of Germany (the west has a much larger population than the east) and won several constituencies in East-Berlin.

Guess that means they have joined the western mentality! 

Actually, I understand that a higher percentage in Russia still do.  They do make the trains run on time.

on Nov 16, 2005
but somehow much to my chagrin no one has taken me up on my more than generous offers.
---Modman

Wow! They really are smart! After all, it's much safer to sit in a democracy and bitch about the system than it is to sit in a dictatorship and bitch about the system.





A large percentage of the population of East Germany voted for the "former" communists in the last elections.
---Leauki

Nice to know that we Americans aren't the only ones with short memories.
hese are the same people who cheered and danced when the wall came down. But then, afterward, they all had to go get jobs that actually produced something; that meant harder work. Think maybe that's had a lot do with it?


Actually, I understand that a higher percentage in Russia still do. They do make the trains run on time.


So did Mussolini.
on Nov 16, 2005
It's simple really, the "intellectuals" who long for a communist or socialist envision a utopia of "from each according to their means, to each according to their need..." with themselves as the arbitors of "means" and "need".

They also somehow have this strange idea that people will magically maintain the means when the need has been removed.
on Nov 16, 2005
Actually, I understand that a higher percentage in Russia still do. They do make the trains run on time.


So did Mussolini.


Strange how they are so similar.......
on Nov 16, 2005
I read this great quote once... *Trying to remember it*... it went something like this:

"There is nothing more repulsively brutal than the Utopia just before it finishes slaughtering those who would destroy it."

Anyways it was by Thomas Moore form the book "Utopia." Makes you think... maybe perfection is only attainable by killing everybody who doesn't agree. Frankly, I'll stick with imperfection.

Dan
on Nov 16, 2005
But you have to admit that we've never seen a true communist state. There has never been a society that didn't still have it's privledged class. Equality of all never happened.

I think in theory communism sounds wonderful - everyone gives according to their abilities and takes according to their needs. Unfortunately in practicality most are not motivated to work for the common good. We work to get ourselves ahead not society as a whole. Not that there aren't altruistic people out there but in general most of us go to work for the paycheck not to help society as a whole.

As far as the communist governments we've seen so far, they were corrupt and oppressive. Any country that has to use guns to keep people in their country is obviously doing something wrong.

I think people will always strive for a utopia that will never come. Maybe if you believe in heaven. We always want to look at what's wrong with our society and see if there is some way to make it better.
on Nov 16, 2005
Oh and I'm not a communist in case my comment didn't make that clear so don't be shipping me out the country or anything.
on Nov 16, 2005
I think in theory communism sounds wonderful - everyone gives according to their abilities and takes according to their needs.
---Locamama

Sure it does; I mean, even Christ himself could have been looked upon as a Communist. It's been said that His message, that we are to provide and care for the needs of others, might have been written by Marx himself, if God hadn't beaten him to it by about 1800 or so years.



Unfortunately in practicality most are not motivated to work for the common good.
---Locamama

And therein lies the rub; human nature itself is what throws the wrench into the works. And rightly so. After all, as LW alluded to, why should the doctor, who has the responsiblity of life and death on his/her shoulders, be forced to live in the same manner as the street sweeper? It's not fair.

Not that there aren't altruistic people out there but in general most of us go to work for the paycheck not to help society as a whole.
---Locamama

Though it IS possible to be altruistic and still go for the paycheck. Look at Bill Gates; Oprah.....rich waaaaaay beyond the dreams of Avarice, but still they freely give of their wealth to benefit others.

Any country that has to use guns to keep people in their country is obviously doing something wrong.
---Locamama

That's a mouthful there. When the people in N. Korea go to the beach, do they buy the propaganda and see the fifty-foot walls and fences there as obstacles to deter invasion, or do they realize that they're really walls for keeping them in? I wonder......

We always want to look at what's wrong with our society and see if there is some way to make it better.
---Locamama

In a capitalist society, for the most part, shelter, food and myriad other goods and services are on hand and readily available for all, as are medical aid, utilities (electricity, water, gas, etc.) and so forth. Whatever you need or want is there for the taking, as long as you have the money.
Police and emergency protection is offered for all by taxing the wages of the workers, and (way too many) government programs offer a way for those less fortunate to access needed services themselves.

How do you get any better than that?
on Nov 17, 2005
How do you get any better than that?


Well, you seem to think there's a lot wrong with the country, so obviously you don't fully agree with the situation. Or was that an ironic question? it's so hard to tell these days when someone is being serious or just playing a part.
on Nov 17, 2005
That's a mouthful there. When the people in N. Korea go to the beach, do they buy the propaganda and see the fifty-foot walls and fences there as obstacles to deter invasion, or do they realize that they're really walls for keeping them in? I wonder......


North Koreans can go to the beach? That's unexpected!

Though it IS possible to be altruistic and still go for the paycheck. Look at Bill Gates; Oprah.....rich waaaaaay beyond the dreams of Avarice, but still they freely give of their wealth to benefit others.


Yes, truly they are saints amongst sinners. i wonder though if they would do the same were they as poor as most. After all, if Gates lived less luxuriously he could feed an entire country off his own paycheck. God knows what he'd do with a country full of uneducated employees, but surely they'd be useful for something. Perhaps building great monuments or a mausoleum or something.
on Nov 17, 2005
think in theory communism sounds wonderful - everyone gives according to their abilities and takes according to their needs. Unfortunately in practicality most are not motivated to work for the common good. We work to get ourselves ahead not society as a whole


Communism defies human nature. A well regulated capitalistic society can channel human nature to benefit society. You cannot see a true communist state because it cannot exist. Man was not built that way.
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