And how many years has it been since YOU actively served, drmiler? You've been out for decades now, yet still count yourself as part of the "we" when you refer to the military. She, on the other hand, while not an active member, is CURRENTLY living on base and is involved with the military on a DAILY basis, a day to day, (24/7, 365 per year) life in a military community that you've been away from for HOW long????

If she comes back I will personally apologize for being overly harsh. Just as an aside LW, living on base is "not" the same as being an active member. And yes I consider myself as part of the military. As does just about every one of us here do. It's part of the military mind set we were talking about. Part of the mind set is once you're in, you're never really out. So how long I've been out really has no bearing. And unless someone has been in they usually do "not" understand how that mind set works. As evidenced by your comments. Also as I stated as a military wife, she has a "different" mind set then an active member.

Christ on a pony, does she have to be signed up for active duty to observe the fact that blacks in the military are self-sufficient?

Just an FYI.... Brandie and I NEVER spoke of race! That was Brandie and RW.

If she comes back I will personally apologize for being overly harsh.

You can do it on her thread.... Link

Also as I stated as a military wife, she has a "different" mind set then an active member.

I dunno about that. Some military wives I know have more military bearing than their active duty spouses. I know what MY mind set is like, and it's not one of bake sales and the price of pork chops at the commissary.

dunno about that. Some military wives I know have more military bearing than their active duty spouses. I know what MY mind set is like, and it's not one of bake sales and the price of pork chops at the commissary.

No it's probably not on the price of pork. But I'll guarantee that it's not the same as your husbands mind set. And the wives you're speaking of....are more than likely married to someone that will not stay in. I have personally looked at both sides of that fence.

You are "not" military. You are the spouse of a military person. Different mind set. Just so you know, I'm slightly offended by that statement. That makes me feel...invalidated, somehow.

I'm sorry you feel that way. But what I stated is true. There is a different thought pattern between a spouse and an active military member for the most part.

If she comes back I will personally apologize for being overly harsh. You can do it on her thread.... Link

Actually, no I can't. Either she has locked her thread or black listed me. I can understand it if she has done either. But it's kind of hard to apologize if she has.

But I'll guarantee that it's not the same as your husbands mind set. And the wives you're speaking of....are more than likely married to someone that will not stay in. I

It may not be EXACTLY the same, but it's damn close, and in some aspects I have even more of a military bearing than he does....and he's staying in until he can retire (got 6 years left to do, then we're out).

We didn't get to where we're at career-wise by my not having any kind of military bearing. I worked just as hard as he did for some of his ranks and achievements.

I feel the need to step in here and point out something to you RW (and to some extent, drmiller) that you will probably not like in the least.

You are acting like Col. Gene and Dabe here (well... except you keep the language clean).

You are so convinced of the correctness of your position, you find it so overpoweringly obvious that you simply can not believe others don't see it as you do. This is the exact tact those two take on their arguments. They yell and scream about how it's so obvious Bush & Co. are evil evil people etc... They don't provide proof, they tell you to look it up for yourself. They claim that what they say is just an overarching truth and you have to be intentionally blind to miss it.

If you make a claim, no matter how obvious it may seem to you, if someone calls you on it then the burden of proof rests with YOU. If I say "All of Group X does Y" and someone says prove it, I have to come up with actual proof to show that to be true. Proof, by the way, does not equal stories your friends told you. That's the sort of proof offered by extreme liberals to say the election was rigged (i.e. the rumor that republicans told black voters that the election was on a different day in some cities... nothing but anecdotal evidence for that one... no real proof)

You are making sweeping claims based on your own personal experiences. If I were to do the same I'd say how minorities are actually the hardest working people in this nation, and whites are just a bunch of ignorant hicks who want to complain about how their jobs and money are being stolen away by them. That has been my overwhelming experience having lived in a semi-rural area attached to a university, then here in Hartford. Who is right? Is my experience the one that can be extrapolated to ALL blacks or minorites? Is yours? Nope, neither are correct because you can not generalize like that. You can't even say a majority unless you have clear numbers (pure data, since you distrust statistics so much when they disagree with you).

In this thread, you have used every single tactic that you assault the far left for regularly. You make claims and refuse to provide proof. You provide anecdotal and second-hand evidence as proof when pressed further. Instead of arguing the issue on its merits, you insult, belittle and discard those who disagree with you out of hand when they try their best to remain civil and on-point. The only thing you haven't done is resorted to out-and-out namecalling or swearing...

Remember this thread next time you want to go after the left for their poor tactics, for their lack of proof and civility. Remember that you hold more in common with them than you'd like to admit.

I feel the need to step in here and point out something to you RW (and to some extent, drmiller) that you will probably not like in the least. You are acting like Col. Gene and Dabe here (well... except you keep the language clean). You are so convinced of the correctness of your position, you find it so overpoweringly obvious that you simply can not believe others don't see it as you do. This is the exact tact those two take on their arguments. They yell and scream about how it's so obvious Bush & Co. are evil evil people etc... They don't provide proof, they tell you to look it up for yourself. They claim that what they say is just an overarching truth and you have to be intentionally blind to miss it. If you make a claim, no matter how obvious it may seem to you, if someone calls you on it then the burden of proof rests with YOU. If I say "All of Group X does Y" and someone says prove it, I have to come up with actual proof to show that to be true. Proof, by the way, does not equal stories your friends told you. That's the sort of proof offered by extreme liberals to say the election was rigged (i.e. the rumor that republicans told black voters that the election was on a different day in some cities... nothing but anecdotal evidence for that one... no real proof) You are making sweeping claims based on your own personal experiences. If I were to do the same I'd say how minorities are actually the hardest working people in this nation, and whites are just a bunch of ignorant hicks who want to complain about how their jobs and money are being stolen away by them. That has been my overwhelming experience having lived in a semi-rural area attached to a university, then here in Hartford. Who is right? Is my experience the one that can be extrapolated to ALL blacks or minorites? Is yours? Nope, neither are correct because you can not generalize like that. You can't even say a majority unless you have clear numbers (pure data, since you distrust statistics so much when they disagree with you). In this thread, you have used every single tactic that you assault the far left for regularly. You make claims and refuse to provide proof. You provide anecdotal and second-hand evidence as proof when pressed further. Instead of arguing the issue on its merits, you insult, belittle and discard those who disagree with you out of hand when they try their best to remain civil and on-point. The only thing you haven't done is resorted to out-and-out namecalling or swearing... Remember this thread next time you want to go after the left for their poor tactics, for their lack of proof and civility. Remember that you hold more in common with them than you'd like to admit.

Sorry Zoomba, but I myself made no claims that required proof. Nor for that matter was any asked of me. So do not lump both in the same catagory. That would make you guilty of doing the same thing that you're accusing us of.

Sorry Zoomba, but I myself made no claims that required proof. Nor for that matter was any asked of me. So do not lump both in the same catagory. That would make you guilty of doing the same thing that you're accusing us of.

drmiller... I just reread the thread and you're right. I apologize. I think I got mad at your being dismissive and belittling of Tex and tossed you in just so I could chide you to. The above should be exclusively directed at RW. Sorry about that.

We forget that this isnt a 'nasty' we're dealing with, but a sensitive and highly intelligent young woman who has treated everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY on JU with decency and respect. She deserves the same from us, regardless of our political persuasion. Save the viciousness for those offer it up.

You are 100% right. I did forget I wasn't dealing with you know who. My problem is that I tend to lump "all" liberals in the same catagory.....liberal moon-bats. I keep forgetting they are not all the same. And by the way LW, thanks for the links. That was partially mine as well.

Sorry Zoomba, but I myself made no claims that required proof. Nor for that matter was any asked of me. So do not lump both in the same catagory. That would make you guilty of doing the same thing that you're accusing us of. drmiller... I just reread the thread and you're right. I apologize. I think I got mad at your being dismissive and belittling of Tex and tossed you in just so I could chide you to. The above should be exclusively directed at RW. Sorry about that

No problem. It was said differently but.... if one dog scratches a flea the rest probably have them too.

The thing is, (nasty attitudes notwithstanding) there is much proof available for many of RW's claims. A simple google search using the terms "Government Programs for minorities" turns up scads of govt. programs exclusively designed for the advancement of various racial groups, from african american and hispanic to pacific islanders and native americans.

Just to let you know LW I sent an apology to Tex directly since she left her email address. Here is a copy so you don't accuse me of pulling a "lucas".

Tex, I would have done this on JU but you blacklisted me so I can't. I wish to offer my apology for being so rude to you on rightwingers thread. What I said is the way I feel, but it could have been said in a lot better way. The way it was said is inexcusable at the very least. Little Whip said it for me later. We sometimes forget who we are dealing with (meaning you) after having dealt with the likes of col gene and dabe. And like most "idiots" I tend to lump all liberal types together. Even if they're cut from different cloth. Whether or not if you come back to JU...I don't want to be the reason you go. Please except my apology. John J. Miller Pittsburgh, PA Remember: A good friend will come and bail you out of jail... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, Damn...that was fun!" "Illegitimis non carborundum"

Sorry dear but you're in no position to disagree. You are "not" military. You are the spouse of a military person.

DrMiler, what kind of mindless cretin still holds on to this outdated bullcrap. The only people who still cling to the "if the military wanted you to have a family, they would have issued you one" are useless NCOs and Officers who don't give a crap about their troops. It is attitudes like this that lead to great troops not re-enlisting because of pressure from wives who are sick of being treated like they don't exist, but are expected to "toe the line".

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

The spouse is just as "in" as the servicemember... the only difference is the job description and the pay!

Sorry dear but you're in no position to disagree. You are "not" military. You are the spouse of a military person. DrMiler, what kind of mindless cretin still holds on to this outdated bullcrap. The only people who still cling to the "if the military wanted you to have a family, they would have issued you one" are useless NCOs and Officers who don't give a crap about their troops. It is attitudes like this that lead to great troops not re-enlisting because of pressure from wives who are sick of being treated like they don't exist, but are expected to "toe the line". I've said it before and I'll say it again... The spouse is just as "in" as the servicemember... the only difference is the job description and the pay!

Before you go running off at the mouth, maybe you should read reply #64. You can now remove your foot from your mouth.