Red Cross workers turned away

But let's blame the feds, right?

Published on September 8, 2005 By Rightwinger In Politics

According to a news item I heard this morning (and I wish I had a link to support this, but I don't---if anyone can locate one, please post it), the Red Cross reports that workers were ready and in position to deliver water, food, supplies and other amenities to the Superdome, but were disallowed and turned away by representatives of the Louisiana Dept. of Homeland Security (in other words, the LA branch of FEMA), who feared that bringing more supplies might draw more people to the "shelter", worsening an already deteriorating situation. Where are all the fingers pointing, though?

As an aside:

I heard another report, a little later, about a comment from an overworked aid worker distributing MREs to Displaced Persons (I'll drag out this old, WW2-era phrase, so as to refrain from referring to them as either "evacuees" or "refugees", terms that, for some odd reason, seem to cause some tension along racial lines, and are often hotly resented). It seems that one of them, a black man, angrily demanded him/her that they should "go and get me something from mcDonald's, whitely."

I'll allow the above comment to stand on its own, to be chewed over by those here who feel that the "entitlement mentality" among minorities in this country is a myth of the Right.

Comments (Page 3)

Texas Wahine

on Sep 09, 2005

rightwinger:

i guess tex thinks jokes like this are just conjured up out of nothing, just for the pure,ridiculous, goofy laughs they get, huh?

If you wish to continue making jabs at me, I will be happy to leave this thread. Is that what you'd like? If it is, just say the word.

dharmagrl

on Sep 09, 2005

Besides, how could I be offended by the term "niggahs"? After all, I'm fundamentally a racist SOB, with deep-seated predjuices against all blacks...or hadn't you heard?

I had heard a rumor about that, yes. I'm one too, y'know. Because i had a knee jerk reaction to something I saw on TV, because i insist that there are differences between black people and white people, because I get irritated when people play the race card at the drop of a hat....yessir, I'm a dyed in the wool racists and I have hatred in my heart.

Looks like we're in good company, huh?

Rightwinger

on Sep 09, 2005

Tex, Tex, tex....nothing I say will make you change your mind, and I'm tired of this constant back-and-forth that's getting us nowhere.
As to "asking about welfare benefits"...I'm not saying you should inquire "about" them...as in try to see about getting them....I mean, just in conversation. Try saying something like:
"Say Jack (Tom, Dick, Harry, Ed, Frank, Sally, June, whatever), in your opinion, do you think that it might be a little easier for blacks to get welfare or government help than whites?" or something along those lines (maybe not quite so blatant...try a little subtlety). Just to see what you get. Why do you seem so opposed to that? You're just asking.

I'm done here, Tex....if you want to discuss the main topic of the article, the Red Cross being refused, please fell free, but you've pretty much hijacked this post (granted, with my help) and made it strictly about my predjudice toward black people. You keep asking for undeeded evidence, because yes, Tex, EVERYONE, as in EVERYONE, knows it but you. Why is that? I don't know. You say you're not a liberal, but so much of your personal attitudes and views sure do reflect it. Feel free to think what you want, my lady.....it's your taxes, too.

dharmagrl

on Sep 09, 2005

My life hasn't always been fair. But I like to treat people the way I want them to treat me and I give people the benefit of the doubt, which is something I like extended to me as well.

I'm sorry that you feel these are not ideals worth holding onto.

I don't think that RW is saying that those are not wonderful ideals, Tex. I think that he's simply trying to point out that life isn't perhaps as balanced and fair from where he's standing as it is from where you're standing.

I try to treat people the way I would want them to treat me, and if I'm wrong I'll walk away rather than return the favor. however, not everyone is like that.

Rightwinger

on Sep 09, 2005

Precisely; thank you, dharma. We, Tex and I, see things differently; maybe intentionally, I don't know.

I try to treat people the way I would want them to treat me

The Golden Rule....the best way to go.

Texas Wahine

on Sep 09, 2005

As to "asking about welfare benefits"...I'm not saying you should inquire "about" them...as in try to see about getting them....I mean, just in conversation. Try saying something like:
"Say Jack (Tom, Dick, Harry, Ed, Frank, Sally, June, whatever), in your opinion, do you think that it might be a little easier for blacks to get welfare or government help than whites?" or something along those lines (maybe not quite so blatant...try a little subtlety). Just to see what you get. Why do you seem so opposed to that? You're just asking.

Asking someone's opinion is NOT the same thing as finding out the facts. Is there racism in the way that employers hire? Is there racism in the policies of our social services?

This is not an opinion question. If the racism you described exists and is widespread, it is something that can be proven with facts that demonstrate how prevalent it is.

I will not discuss this further with you because it's obvious that you are not interested in a true debate. Your only desire is to see me bend to your will despite your inability to offer any proof, and to insult me because I refuse to bend to your will.

Further, everything we have discussed thus far has been on topic, as it was a primary topic in your article and the one you chose to expand on in your "bump" comment. If you did not wish to debate it, you should not have included it in your article or your first comment. Please do not blame me for "hijack" of your article when I have stayed completely on topic the entire time.

As far as your jabs and labels and laughs with your friends here at my expense go, have fun.

Think of me what you wish.

I'm finished.

drmiler

on Sep 09, 2005

drmiler: Actually Tex I believe it is. That's because of the required mind set to be in the military in the first place. We (military) do not think like the greater portion of the populace.

I disagree. All sorts of people join the military, particularly the poor. but the people that join up for their first tour are quite diverse. And ability to thrive in a military environment is not dependent on race.

Sorry dear but you're in no position to disagree. You are "not" military. You are the spouse of a military person. Different mind set. Your right all sorts of people join the military. But those that stay in have a peculiar mind set. Those that do not stay in often do not have that mind set. And to set the record straight I never made "any" reference to any particular race thriving in the military, did I?

Could you provide links to some government programs that are offered only to minorities?

And no I can't provide links. I gave you a starting place. Matthew Lesko's book. Buy it, and read it like I did.

drmiler

on Sep 09, 2005

This is not an opinion question. If the racism you described exists and is widespread, it is something that can be proven with facts that demonstrate how prevalent it is

And just how would you suggest he goes about proving it? You just going to walk up to an "employer" and ask them do they have a racial bias? Do you honestly think that they will anser truthfully?

drmiler

on Sep 09, 2005

Further, everything we have discussed thus far has been on topic, as it was a primary topic in your article and the one you chose to expand on in your "bump" comment.

Wrong! His thread was about the Red Cross and as an "aside" it contained a wise-ass comment made by a black man (who was "obviously" a racist himself). And his "bump" comment was a SPELLING correction!

Rightwinger

on Sep 09, 2005

Asking someone's opinion is NOT the same thing as finding out the facts. Is there racism in the way that employers hire? Is there racism in the policies of our social services?

Tex, how dense do you want to be? Keep on layering yourself the way you are, and pretty soon nothing will get in.
Of course racism (actually reverse racism would be the case here) isn't an official policy, as I've said, over and over, but that just doen't seem to get through. You want FACTS...and I've none to give here. It's just one of those things everyone acknowledges without direct proof...you know it's a fact. At least I do....and everyone but you.
Why are you so strongly against simply asking opinions of others, just to see what they say? Are you perhaps afraid of what you'll hear? That maybe you'll find the world isn't as fair and ordered as you think it is? Or rather, should be?
You claim to have beenn down some hard roads, and I don't know you, so I won't dispute that; but what did you learn from them? Apparently not the same lessons I learned on my hard roads.

Don't go away in a huff, Tex....this is just a simple matter of different perspectives. I still luv ya.

Rightwinger

on Sep 09, 2005

Once again, drm....thanks for the props.

Dr Guy

on Sep 09, 2005

I read an interview with an elderly black man on MSNBC last week. he said that the hurricane had taught him that not all white folks were bad because some of them had come along to rescue him in a boat and had shared their water with him. he said that before the disaster he wouldn't have given these people the time of day....

I heard that story as well. I think that one was on Fox.

Dr Guy

on Sep 09, 2005

Heh, I'd rather have McD's than an MRE any day!
---LW

Well, duh!

Not if I was camping! MREs beat C- Rations all to heck!

Manopeace

on Sep 09, 2005

Brilliant comment Whip!

dharmagrl

on Sep 09, 2005

You are "not" military. You are the spouse of a military person. Different mind set.

Just so you know, I'm slightly offended by that statement. That makes me feel...invalidated, somehow.

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