The Atheist religion is Atheistic Humanism.  

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/jan/26/alain-de-botton-temple-atheism

Looks like a temple for Atheists is in the works.

"Homosexual Christians" is an oxymoron. 

One can't be practicing homosexuality and Christianity at the same time.

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As for me, I love the sinner, hate the sin. My stance on homosexuality is exactly the CC's stance which can be found in the second edition of the Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357, 2358 and 2359. 

BT, 

Do elevate yourself above the hateful anti-Catholic spirit manifested in your #90 communication. 

 

 

 

 

 

Tell that to your pedophilic priests ... not to my deaf ears. Just another example of your disconnect from reality and another reason why you cannot be trusted because you are as dishonest as the day is long. You are an oxymoron and cannot be trusted to be honest … seemingly even to yourself. I will await the wrath of RogueCaptain who at least seems to understand that all people are the children of your one god ... putatively anyway.

Question was for someone else Lula ... someone who may actually be honest enough to answer ... or as honest as a human can be anyway ... and you don’t qualify. I have never said otherwise concerning the RCC Inc. … I think that if there were a devil, well only he could dream up something as perverse as the RCC. Maybe when or if they build their atheist tower, I will pay it a visit hahaha, not.

 

As I said, as for me, I love the sinner and I hate the sin. Goes for all sinners, goes for all sin. 

That you may be blest with an appreciation of this, and thus realize the enormity of your effusion, is my prayer. 

 

 

Lula, you said a practicing Christian could not practice homosexuality and I provided just ONE example. But this is typical of you for evading an honest answer like always. Maybe you can explain what it was they were practicing when they weren’t ‘porking’ your own children? You might also try to explain who they were trying to fool ... the RCC Inc., themselves or maybe your one GOD? Save your prayers for the needy and the misinformed and the monsters protected by your benevolent Church.

What consenting adults do in their bedrooms is none of anybody's business. I do not think that expressing an opinion about the lefwestyle chice is tantamount to an expression of "hate". Gays and Lesbians have the freedom to live in any way they want but they cannot abuse those who disagree with their choice.

Homosexuality is not just "something" practiced in the bedrooms (that is the stereotype), no more than heterosexuality is confined to the bedroom anyway. It is expressed in all faucets of their lives … from dawn to dusk too, I would expect so anyway. I won’t pretend that I understand what it is like to be homosexual because I am not one. I thought I might be a homosexual at one point in my life (due to circumstances) ... but they at least knew better (somehow) and politely told me so … I just didn’t belong there … so I left it behind and I moved on. But my own real world experience taught me a few things one of which is that homosexuality is much more than just a state of mind.

You are not trying to make the case that the religious folk are guiltless in their zeal to crush and condemn homosexuals for the past 1500 years … are you? You cannot possible see their lifelong persecution as the benign will of the one god … can you? It just sucks when people fight back for what THEY believe in and considering that they have never been offered any quarter, any justice or any appeal cannot be left out of the arguement … but they are the hateful ones, go figure.

You have a strange way of looking at the real business of abuse here. Might I say you seem to be blinded by the light of religion too??? I am an atheist so you should be able to see why I (and many others) have a problem with placing religious concerns on the top step where everything else is considered subservient and subject to their theological dogma ... not a good starting point at all if fairness is to be invoked.

 

RogueCaptain; I agree with you of ‘learned’ behavior in a lot of cases and I believe the ‘doctors’ in particular the psychological ones are mostly practicing ‘job security’ and appear to be in the business of  creating a multitude of psychotic explanations that do not agree with reality. My son was one of the millions of children labeled with the infamous ADHD and I never was able to challenge their findings or even to force a re-evaluation … and they were unable to explain why the ADHD meds didn’t work … because they were not looking for anything else. These diagnoses are little more than an open-ended excuse to medically ‘experiment’ on our own children.

I was a ‘black out drunk’ for many years and of course there is NO cure … poppycock. I ‘CURED’ myself thank you very much. Due to unfortunate real life circumstances, I became a ‘crack head’ for over three years … I cured myself in spite of the professionals ‘help’ and their drug solutions. I am the only person I know that makes this self-healing claim. All my old friends were still living in a bottle or had returned to their drugs … or they were dead … that was many years ago.

But when you include homosexuality in with a condition like alcoholism … you are admitting you are clueless on the realities of life and you are mostly expressing your bias. You seem to be looking at homosexuality as an abomination that needs to be corrected just because you don’t like it. What is it that Christians practice besides what they have been brainwashed to believe as TRUE generally from birth … it is nothing besides a learned behavior based on someone else’s beliefs … but of course only the ‘others’ are wrong … how human of you.

I'm so happy to hear you dropped the bottle, good for you.

My point about genetic/hereditary predisposition for behavior being used as a basis for human rights was that if you want to use that then it applies equally to every other condition.  For example people who are vulnerable to alcoholism such as myself.  See where this is going?  When one person makes the argument then so will others.  It's a very bad direction to take.  By emphasizing the difference between the two, you have supported my point.

 

No that is not what I said.  I was arguing homosexuality from an Atheist's side or at least the one from smug college professors self proclaimed expert Atheists.  After arguing it from both opposite viewpoints I was still not be able to justify homosexuality from either of them.  Look, it's from my experience using biblical wisdom won't get you very far with Atheists so I chose to argue Atheism with Atheists instead in hopes to communicate.

Why are you aggressively trying to steer this conversation to an Atheism + religion argument in a thread about homosexuality anyway?  Does thou zealotry extend to derail thy thread onward to further?  If you really want to go there that badly then make a new thread and we'll go into Socrates, Plato, Justin, Aquinas and all the rest to your hearts content. Did anyone bring up that subject?  Posting that video in response to my presence here was very off topic if that was not the case.  The only reason I linked to your previous comments on the other thread was because there you linked to an article on homosexuality genetics and all under an Atheism subject thread but here you tell me the opposite in the form of a question.  It appeared hypocritical.

 

Lots of vague statements there.  Crimes against humanity, I'm just speechless.  Unless you're talking within the subject of homosexuality then that would be off topic and for another thread.  As tempted as I am to make a rebuttal to that statement, I'll abide by the code of conduct on JoeUser.

Now back on topic, the Pope has already addressed the homosexuality issue in writing but of course since you know Catholicism so well I'm sure you already read it and knew that.

I happened to come across this thread whilst browsing around and would like to focus on one comment in the OP. I did not and don't intend on reading every reply, so feel free to skim over my comment those who are debating this topic at will. My point is for the OP (and i guess those who agree with the quote)

Why does it have to be between anybody and a god? Cannot what they do be between themselves? Why is it that they are flipping the bird to a god?
Only those who strive to live by the rules and laws outlined in whatever religion they adhere to, would be flipping the bird to God if they choose to be in a gay marriage.

The rest, well they would just be getting married, and not flipping the bird to anyone. Not all people live by the laws of religion, and nor should those that do, assume they should.

You need to re-read the original post ... I didn't bring atheism vs. religion into the fray ... I just added my two cents worth.

RightWinger from OP: “What they do is between them and the God to whom they so cavalierly flip the finger.” “…do atheists ever attack any other religions besides Christianity?” or “They can say the most ignorant, vile, hateful, despicable things about Jesus Christ and the faith He founded,”

My point being is that it is amazing to me how I as an atheist am expected to subjugate myself to the terms and phraseology of the Christian folk who KNOW only the counter arguments or at a minimum are unwilling to listen to (or even acknowledge) our views even when it just concerns us. How many pages have been expended on JU where religious folk demand the sole right to define even the basic term ATHEIST for us … with a complete disregard for the obvious? You yourself still do not seem to understand that there are no atheist philosophies or teachings that I am aware of. ATHEISM IS A DISBELIEF IN THE (provable) EXISTANCE OF YOUR ONE (any) GOD ... and is applicable to the more than 10,000 other gods that preceded him throughout our history. But somehow this is only perceived today as an ‘ATTACK’ on Christendom … it just doesn’t compute. We all are ATHEISTS (you and I included) … I just happen to believe in one less god than you do is all … as we hold all the other religions and their constructs in the same light of atheistic disregard. But every faith seems unable or unwilling to turn their inspections internally … why is that??? How can this be if it is really the truth of things we are searching for? Religious folk don't seem to be looking for anything because they have been TOLD there is nothing else to be found or discovered of value.

I have already addressed this (somewhere) and the response was exactly as expected. Jesus is and always will be a construct of the Catholic “RELIGION” so anyone who bases their religious beliefs on the NT is little more than a closet catholic pawn IMO. I have no way of knowing when (or why) you put on a different hat … and I am not sure that in itself has much meaning as your basic core values are unchanged and ARE expressed in your posts so WTF???

I didn’t ‘quit the bottle’ (well I did for several years) … that was my point. I have learned (taught myself) to drink in moderation … I just don’t live in a bottle anymore. That is the part that destroys the illusion of the ‘illness of alcoholism’ as an untreatable (without abstinence or chemicals) disease or whatever it is they claim. I would not have been able to do that with homosexuality ... had it turned out I was one.  

Truth be told, the article you quoted contained this statement from you; “Point is until Atheists openly admit Atheism is faith based they are living under an arrogant delusion which ironically is what many hypocritically accuse the theists. The truth would shatter their egos.” You (looking at your other posts) often refer to the religion of atheism and the clip (post 82) was a slap at that concept. That is why I asked you personally; “What is the religion of atheism?” … and you have yet to answer … you just keep on using the terminology??? Lula actually got this one right (by accident for sure, #91) even if she worded it wrong. But you made no attempt yourself.

Here you go defining my intent for me. Of course that statement encompasses many more things besides homosexuality … but it does include it, you just chose not to see that. Unless you claim that homosexuals are inhuman … then 1500 years of persecutions up to and including death, easily qualifies as ‘crimes against humanity’ … they just chose to call it heresy so they could make themselves appear to be just (in their own eyes)  and as always … this shit is done in the name of their chosen benevolent idol. Why not post here then; “The Religion of Atheism … Exposed” located on JU at https://forums.joeuser.com/414656 and make your rebuttal on topic if that is so important to you.

Nice point ... and a wise decision not to involve yourself further in this mess. Problem is that everything seems to eventually get dragged into the religious pit where the logical and illogical collide in an unsolvable manor. It doesn't have to be like this ... it just seems to end up there???

Yup, i like to read these types of threads, the "Science and God" one has been interesting, but i rarely comment.
My views are such (read that as "would be considered extreme") that i would do nothing but defend my beliefs and since all religious debate is subjective and opinionated, one would be defending for years to come....

If you could actually just acknowledge what it is to be an atheist, you wouldn’t make these kinds of statements. Atheism and homosexuality have nothing to do with each other. Atheist is just a catch word used whenever there is a disagreement with one’s SPECIFIC religious dogma and includes everything … which is why it is an inappropriate term to use in most instances. What is wrong with using our medical ‘marvels’ for procreation unless of course there are religious objections to it? And if that is the case, then why is it ok (is it???) for heterosexuals to use our medical marvels (like all the time) but somehow that is unbefitting for homosexuals, get real??? You do know what bigotry is … don’t you? Homosexuality has been around a lot longer than Christianity has … it may help to remember that. It would seem that in the really short term of evolutionary things (~200,000 years or so); homosexuals have done well enough to survive in spite of the religious (mostly) persecutions. I would think that says a lot about their chances of survival in the future. I do not think Christendom has as good a chance of survival … unless there are drastic changes made IMO.

There are different groups who support the homosexual agenda and its goal of normalizing homosexuality as equal to heterosexuality.  In general, Atheists are one of those groups.  

Here you are, the self proclaimed Atheist, providing a good example of that. 

Ya, right?????

Procreation is exactly what, as you say, our "medical marvels" are for. Almighty God made us male and female so that we would be fruitful and multiply. That's why its Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve.

There are no good "medical marvels" that result from homosexual sex. You're big on science...don't you know about the medical consequences empirical science has revealed about homosexual sex? 

Instead of the labeling...let's talk about truth.

You know what truth is ...don't you? 

 

On that note, truth is Marriage a union of a man and a woman has been since the dawn of time, so it may help to remind the homosexualists pushing to remake Marriage into into something Marriage can never be. 

 

Of the 5 listed definitions of the word marriage, only one defines it as between a man and a women.
Just saying....

Why is it people feel the need to be so involved in the affairs of others.

To any god fearing person reading this, does a gay marriage affect you, your family, your religion or your believed afterlife? Does it have any affect upon you personally what so ever?

I will never understand the drive behind folks, be those christian or atheist to try and prove their point to the person on the other side of the fence.

I'm an atheist, but i won't tell you your wrong for believing what ever you want to believe, it wouldn't matter a damn thing. Nor would a christian change my beliefs, no matter what they believed to be proof or evidence were to be placed in front of me. I actually envy those with faith, it must be comforting to not fear death on the same level as i do. But i see the world through a different set of eyes, and that view is neither right or wrong, it's just mine.

Someones faith or homosexuality has no direct affect on my life, so believe what you want and marry who you want, as long as your content, then good luck to you!
So much for staying out of it...hehe