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Published on January 12, 2007 By Rightwinger In Current Events

From the Associated Press.......


By NICHOLAS PAPHITIS

Associated Press Writer

ATHENS, Greece (AP) - An anti-tank shell was fired at the U.S. Embassy early Friday, striking the front of the building but causing no injuries. A senior police official said the blast was an act of terrorism, raising fears of a resurgence of far-left Greek militant groups.

Police cordoned off streets around the heavily guarded building after the explosion shortly before 6 a.m. The shell struck the third floor and smashed glass in nearby buildings.

Investigators were examining what they believed was the device used to fire the rocket shell from a construction site near the embassy.

``This is an act of terrorism. We don't know where from,'' Attica Police Chief Asimakis Golfis said. ``There was a shell that exploded in the toilets of the building ... It was fired from street level.''

Embassy officials confirmed that an explosion had taken place and said that no one had been injured. U.S. ambassador Charles Reis said the damage was ``not extensive.''

``There can be no justification for such a senseless act of violence ... The embassy was occupied at the time (but) nobody was hurt,'' he said.

Reis said there had been no warning of the attack.

``We're treating it as a very serious attack we will determine what it is when we know (more),'' he said.

Authorities were searching apartment buildings near the U.S. Embassy and a nearby hospital for evidence.

``Such actions in the past have had a very heavy cost for the country - moral, financial and for the international standing of the country,'' said Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis, who visited the embassy after the blast. ``The Greek government is determined to undertake every effort to not allow such phenomena to be repeated in the future.''

Kiosk owner Giorgos Yiannoulis described the explosion as strong.

``I heard a loud bang; I didn't realize what was going on,'' said Yiannoulis, who runs a kiosk near the embassy.

Traffic came to a standstill for more than three hours across parts of central Athens, as police and emergency services scrambled to the embassy building, which is a frequent destination for protest groups.

It was the first major attack against a U.S. target in more than a decade, following the arrest of members of Greece's far-left November 17 terrorist group. The group was blamed for killing 23 people - including U.S., British and Turkish officials - and dozens of bomb attacks.

In 2003, a special court gave multiple life sentences to November 17's leader, chief assassin and three other members. Lesser sentences were given to 10 others.

November 17 carried out a rocket attack against the U.S. embassy in 1996, causing minor damage and no injuries.

Several obscure militant groups have appeared since the November 17 members were arrested. Radical groups Revolutionary Struggle and Popular Revolutionary Action have been blamed for the bombings of three government ministries in 2005.

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on Jan 12, 2007
Hrm, I never heard about the bombings of three government ministries in 2005. It seems like the non-Islamic terrorism doesn't make the news much. Maybe, just maybe, people who believe 90% of terrorism is Islamic might, just might, not be aware of about 80% of what goes on.

I'm pretty up on the news and I don't remember this one. Evidently Greece has problems.
on Jan 13, 2007
. Maybe, just maybe, people who believe 90% of terrorism is Islamic might, just might, not be aware of about 80% of what goes on.


80%? No, Baker, according to reliable government sources, over 50% of the world's terrorism is Islamic...while Muslims represent about 20% of the world's terrorism.

It's one thing to demand that more of the world's terror is rooted in Islam than actually is; it's quite another to demand that LESS of it is. I'm not among those who has made positive conclusions about the evils of Islam itself, but I believe that there's much that DOES need to be examined.
on Jan 13, 2007
I'm not among those who has made positive conclusions about the evils of Islam itself, but I believe that there's much that DOES need to be examined.
---Gid

I am.....the MidEast as a whole is ruined becausae Islam came and perverted it. As I said on another thread of mine, the oldest known civilization in the world came from there. The Persians ruled an empire that stretched across Northern Africa, up into Southern Europe and to the Atlantic. Look what they've done with it.

Back before the Islam bomb went off, the Arabs were one of the most advanced peoples in the world, at least to the time. Sciences, mathematics, architecture. Then Mohammed talked to the voices in his head, and.....

VOILA!

They're still back there, acting like barbarians, fighting and killing over long-forgotten grievances, some that are probably 5,000 years old or better, and the resof the world has taken the Arab's advances and progressed two whole millennia in the interim.

From a post I left on another thread:

~~~You know; that's another reason to look down on this particular division of Islam. I, as a Christian, try to live a decent, loving and peaceful life that will get me to Heaven so I can live forever with Jesus, the Son of God.
These Muslim want to kill, maim and die so they can go to their heaven and prong chicks (I'd hope) for all eternity. What high goals. Shows you how repressive and controlling their faith is.
~~~

Don't tell me Islam is noble and peaceful. It's a cancer.

on Jan 13, 2007
Don't tell me Islam is noble and peaceful. It's a cancer.


The same can be said about any religion. It is not the belief that is bad it is the believer who misuses the words of their God that are bad. People that want power will always use a rallying point. For Hitler it was that Jews killed Christ, and are a blight on German society. Before that it was the land that belonged to Germany but once that was taken he had to clean house. For the late Saddam insane it was the land that should belong to Iraq, and then it was oil that was stolen from Iraq. He invaded Kuwait. After he did that he became a public Muslim to rally all Arabs to him as the next leader of the Arab world. Like Kaddafi, Sadat, and Nasser before him he failed. Each one used religion as the reason they needed the Arab world to support them because everyone knew that they were power hungry. The Pope used religion to rally people behind the cause of making the Pope rich. The crusades made the church rich and we are still dealing with the bloodshed of that greed. My point is don’t blame religion for their stupid actions. If it was not religion it would be something else to rally the people.
on Jan 14, 2007
Back before the Islam bomb went off, the Arabs were one of the most advanced peoples in the world, at least to the time. Sciences, mathematics, architecture. Then Mohammed talked to the voices in his head, and.....


You do know that the heyday of arabic architecture, science, and math was after Mohamed, don't you? As a small example, the Muslim history I'm the most familiar with: that of the Moors in Spain in the Middle Ages. Think of Alhambra, in Granada, Spain, one of the most impressive pieces of architecture pre-renaissance in all of Europe. Built? 1280-1350, by Muslim architects. University of Granada, center of physics studies in all of Europe, 1200-1500? Muslim built and operated.

Do you know who was in charge during the Middle Ages in Spain, the only extended period of time in the history of the globe where large populations of Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived side by side in relative peace for hundreds of years? It was the Arabic Moors, Muslims every single one of them. Who fucked it up? The "Christian" kings, who fought and kicked them all out.

I don't know what happened to change them from the intelligent, wise, and just rulers they once were, but your assertion that it was simply the religion and not other factors as well not only smacks of arrogance but ignorance of European history.
on Jan 14, 2007
"Don't tell me Islam is noble and peaceful. It's a cancer."


Ignorance is almost as ugly as hatefulness. Some people are cursed with both.
on Jan 15, 2007
The same can be said about any religion
---Paladin

Yes, but, well....maybe I'm a Christian supremacist, but I really can't come up with any cultures where Christ worship took root that had their heyday destroyed by its growth and spread. There may well be, but I'm not aware of them. Sorry, Paladin...you and I have to part company on this one; this is just open relativism.

For Hitler it was that Jews killed Christ
---Paladin

Hitler was an atheist; his "reason" for hating the Jews, the death of Christ, was a smokescreen to help make his attrocities more palatable to the civilized Germans.

The Pope used religion to rally people behind the cause of making the Pope rich. The crusades made the church rich and we are still dealing with the bloodshed of that greed. My point is don’t blame religion for their stupid actions. If it was not religion it would be something else to rally the people.
---Paladin

Understood, but while Christ was perfect, Christians are not; we're just as susceptible to greed and power lust as anyone else. Thing is, our God gives no direct command to kill those who disagree with or oppose us.
You do know that the heyday of arabic architecture, science, and math was after Mohamed, don't you? As a small example, the Muslim history I'm the most familiar with: that of the Moors in Spain in the Middle Ages. Think of Alhambra, in Granada, Spain, one of the most impressive pieces of architecture pre-renaissance in all of Europe. Built? 1280-1350, by Muslim architects. University of Granada, center of physics studies in all of Europe, 1200-1500? Muslim built and operatedDo you know who was in charge during the Middle Ages in Spain, the only extended period of time in the history of the globe where large populations of Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived side by side in relative peace for hundreds of years? It was the Arabic Moors, Muslims every single one of them. Who fucked it up? The "Christian" kings, who fought and kicked them all out.
---San Chonino

Granted; but did religion really have anything to with the kings "fucking it up", though? Or did they just not like sharing their continent (and taxes, power and/or citizens) with interlopers, conquerors? Other than that, what happened to the Arabs ascendancy? Where did they go? What happened to their vast empire?

I don't know what happened to change them from the intelligent, wise, and just rulers they once were, but your assertion that it was simply the religion and not other factors as well not only smacks of arrogance but ignorance of European history.


Islam happened....there has to be some reason why Christian nations prospered and grew, moving on through the centuries and ages to the 21st century, while so many of their Islamic counterparts are still stuck in the 11th, living with the same views and attitudes of those millennia-dead forebears.

Ignorance is almost as ugly as hatefulness. Some people are cursed with both.
---Baker

Ignorance? Nearly everything I've ever heard or seen about Islam is repressive, negative and very possibly purely evil.

What is it about Christ worship---a faith based in acceptance, tolerance and forebearance---that people so want to resist, smear and defile, but makes Islam, which so blatantly promotes hatred, death and intolerance, a sacred cow to be lovingly and desperately defended?

Islam is a cancer; when at last they come for you or your grandchildren and force you/them at gunpoint to worship Allah---if one is lucky enough to live even that long under their reign--- perhaps you'll all see where I'm coming from.
If attitudes of appeasement like yours are the majority, they should have no trouble at all doing so.
on Jan 15, 2007
but did religion really have anything to with the kings "fucking it up", though? Or did they just not like sharing their continent (and taxes, power and/or citizens) with interlopers, conquerors?


Religion had everything to do with it. They went from the most religiously tolerant country in all of Europe (under the Muslims) to one of the most religiously oppressive country in all of Europe (until 1975!). These "kings" were bullies who built little kingdoms and consequently banded together, kicking out the Muslims. And - when you've been there seven hundred years, are you an "interloper" or a "conqueror"? If that's the case, we're all "interlopers" and "conquerors" for taking over America.

Are you an interloper? A conqueror?
on Jan 15, 2007
"Islam is a cancer; when at last they come for you or your grandchildren and force you/them at gunpoint to worship Allah---if one is lucky enough to live even that long under their reign--- perhaps you'll all see where I'm coming from.
If attitudes of appeasement like yours are the majority, they should have no trouble at all doing so."


It should make you a little queasy to know that your rhetoric is basically the same as the people you hate, with a only few key words interchanged. Someday I hope you realize that YOUR attitude is one in the same with Muslims that call western culture a cancer. You, and them, try to whip people to your view through vilifying innocent people and frightening people into hatred.



"(_____) is a cancer; when at last they come for you or your grandchildren and force you/them at gunpoint to (_____) ---if one is lucky enough to live even that long under their reign--- perhaps you'll all see where I'm coming from.
If attitudes of appeasement like yours are the majority, they should have no trouble at all doing so."



How often have we seen speeches like that? Fill in the blanks for yourself. Vietnam, the communist scare, WW2, the Civil War, the Crusades, Pagans vs. Christians, Romans vs. Barbarians, and on, and on. I think you are a frightened, sad human being. I feel sorry for you.
on Jan 16, 2007
Religion is often a tool used throughout history by very bad men trying to establish their PERSONAL supremacy over others.  They always claim it's in the name of God that they do things, that they're humble men doing holy work, but it's always about personal power.  Look through the history of the western world.  Look at the Big Three (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and you will see the same pattern repeated. 

1.  If the Old Testament is anything to go by for historical information, the Jews used to be pretty big on war.  They were brutal.  Their God was a vengeful one who ordered people to kill all the time.  Go to war etc. 

2.  We have recorded history to provide us proof of Christiantiy's darker periods.  Crusades, Inquisitions, burning heretics, forcing religion on the populace through the government.

3.  And now we have this wave of Islamic extremism that looks a lot like what we've seen before in history.  Theocracies promoting the violent overthrow of the unbeliever.

The first two went through the same cycle.  They grew powerful in their regions.  So dominant that they were free to commit horrible acts in the name of God.  Anyone who disagreed was cast down.  Murder, war, all in the name of a good God.  All three pervert the core message to suite whatever needs they had at the time.  After an ascent to the heights of power, the first two slowly slid away.  There's no question that Christian power as a block is rapidly falling.  The Pope is a nice old man who wears a funny hat in most of the western world that once revered him as the spokesman of God here on earth.  And aside from conspiracy theorists, Jews aren't really seen as a force of power that they were centuries past.  They begin as oppressed minorities, grow in power, become the oppressive majority, and then steadily decline in power until they become another faith in the world.

Islam is going through the same growth pattern the other two did.  The rhetoric is the same.  The extremism is the same.  The acts just as bloody and ruthless.  If Islam is a cancerous tumor on the body of the world, does that make Christianity a tumor that has gone into remission?  Was it once a dangerous cancer that threatens the world much like people believe Islam does now?

Never confuse the religion with the faith.  Religion is the man-made construct that surrounds faith.  Faith requires no house to worship in, no book to read from.  Religion is an attempt to make us feel like we all belong to a group of similar people.  Faith is personal and doesn't require any other person for confirmation.  Faith does not inspire fear.  Faith does not confer power or control and in fact is at odds with control and power.  Religion is often a tool used by weak men to make themselves powerful.  They may even in their heart of hearts believe what they spew forth, but if a truely holy man were to walk up to them, anointed by the hand of God himself, and told these men to stand aside, to lay down their sword and go quietly away, they would either ignore the man or kill him for daring to question his power.
on Jan 16, 2007
Good post, Zoomba. I think it is the height of irony that we're discussing this here, when it wasn't Muslims that attacked the embassy in Greece. Nor was it Muslims most recently in Spain. Nor in Mexico City. Nor in Sri Lanka...
on Jan 16, 2007
1. If the Old Testament is anything to go by for historical information, the Jews used to be pretty big on war. They were brutal. Their God was a vengeful one who ordered people to kill all the time. Go to war etc.

2. We have recorded history to provide us proof of Christiantiy's darker periods. Crusades, Inquisitions, burning heretics, forcing religion on the populace through the government.

3. And now we have this wave of Islamic extremism that looks a lot like what we've seen before in history. Theocracies promoting the violent overthrow of the unbeliever.
---Zoomba

It should make you a little queasy to know that your rhetoric is basically the same as the people you hate, with a only few key words interchanged. Someday I hope you realize that YOUR attitude is one in the same with Muslims that call western culture a cancer. You, and them, try to whip people to your view through vilifying innocent people and frightening people into hatred.
---Baker

How often have we seen speeches like that? Fill in the blanks for yourself. Vietnam, the communist scare, WW2, the Civil War, the Crusades, Pagans vs. Christians, Romans vs. Barbarians, and on, and on. I think you are a frightened, sad human being. I feel sorry for you.
---Baker

Are you an interloper? A conqueror?
---San Chonino

Nah, San Cho, I was born here, thanks. I kind of like the way it is and don't want anyone coming in here and blowing me up. Why? Because they don't like me simply because of the country I live in or the God I happen to worship. They hate me, and they hate you too, as well.

Christ told his disciples that, if they can't convert the people in a certain area, kick the dust from their shoes and move on. Fundamentalist Islamics are a little more pro-active in their response. They're supposed to kill you.

It's not my religion (nation, leaders, people, etc.) that's been calling for the deaths of completely innocent people for reasons of cultural/religious hatred and intolerance. It's theirs. Fundamentalist Islam has been calling for that, and doing it, for decades. I might add that not too damn many voices from so-called "moderate" Islam have been raised in protest, either.
They've also been calling for the re-establishment of that caliphate they had back in the day, but on a worldwide scale. Can they really do it? Who cares? They want to, and are more than willing to kill lots and lots of people in the effort. Yet, people like you two continue to defend that religion.

You wondered somewhere above, San Chonino, what happened to the Arab ascendancy. As I said, Islam happened.
As I understand it, the seeds of Islam were planted around the time of that ascendancy; it took root, grew and spread....and look at the fruits of its growth. A formerly great and civilized people stuck more or less in a time warp of violence and hate; barbarians still mindlessly nursing grudges from millennia ago.

My dad always said not to keep grudges because in the end they'd burn you up; and besides, who does the grudge hurt more, you or the one you hate?
Islamic culture is one of the greatest, saddest and most practical examples of that bit of wisdom.

The Christian nations of Europe, for all their faults, nonetheless moved on and rose into prosperity and power, creating the greatest known civilization in world history, while Islam slowly destroyed everything the Arabs were (and is now working its dark magic on the peoples of Asia, as well).

Yeah, there's no difference at all between Islam and Christianity. None at all.

Christianity is a real blight.
on Jan 16, 2007
1. If the Old Testament is anything to go by for historical information, the Jews used to be pretty big on war. They were brutal. Their God was a vengeful one who ordered people to kill all the time. Go to war etc.

2. We have recorded history to provide us proof of Christiantiy's darker periods. Crusades, Inquisitions, burning heretics, forcing religion on the populace through the government.

3. And now we have this wave of Islamic extremism that looks a lot like what we've seen before in history. Theocracies promoting the violent overthrow of the unbeliever.
---Zoomba

It should make you a little queasy to know that your rhetoric is basically the same as the people you hate, with a only few key words interchanged. Someday I hope you realize that YOUR attitude is one in the same with Muslims that call western culture a cancer. You, and them, try to whip people to your view through vilifying innocent people and frightening people into hatred.
---Baker

How often have we seen speeches like that? Fill in the blanks for yourself. Vietnam, the communist scare, WW2, the Civil War, the Crusades, Pagans vs. Christians, Romans vs. Barbarians, and on, and on. I think you are a frightened, sad human being. I feel sorry for you.
---Baker

Are you an interloper? A conqueror?
---San Chonino

Nah, San Cho, I was born here, thanks. I kind of like the way it is and don't want anyone coming in here and blowing me up. Why? Because they don't like me simply because of the country I live in or the God I happen to worship. They hate me, and they hate you guys, as well.

Christ told his disciples that, if they can't convert the people in a certain area, kick the dust from their shoes and move on. Fundamentalist Islamics are a little more pro-active in their response. They're supposed to kill you.

It's not my religion (nation, leaders, people, etc.) that's been calling for the deaths of completely innocent people for reasons of cultural/religious hatred and intolerance. It's theirs. Fundamentalist Islam has been calling for that, and doing it, for decades. I might add that not too damn many voices from so-called "moderate" Islam have been raised in protest, either.
They've also been calling for the re-establishment of that caliphate they had back in the day, but on a worldwide scale. Can they really do it? Who cares? They want to, and are more than willing to kill lots and lots of people in the effort. Yet, people like you three continue to defend staunchly that religion and equate it with all others.

Fine...the hateful, bigotted murderous Christians had the Crusades.....what they didn't have were nuclear weapons. The Islamists nowadays, though...well....they're tryin' hard. They'll eventually have them.

You wondered somewhere above, San Chonino, what happened to the Arab ascendancy. As I said, Islam happened.
As I understand it, the seeds of Islam were planted around the time of that ascendancy; it took root, grew and spread....and look at the fruits of its growth. A formerly great and civilized people stuck more or less in a time warp of violence and hate; barbarians still mindlessly nursing grudges from millennia ago.

My dad always said not to keep grudges because in the end they'd burn you up; and besides, who does the grudge hurt more, you or the one you hate?
Islamic culture is one of the greatest, saddest and most practical examples of that bit of wisdom.

The Christian nations of Europe, for all their faults, nonetheless moved on and rose into prosperity and power, creating the greatest known civilization in world history, while Islam slowly destroyed everything the Arabs were (and is now working its dark magic on the peoples of Asia, as well).

Yeah, there's no difference at all between Islam and Christianity. None at all.

Christianity is a real blight.
on Jan 16, 2007
At least Bush and the rest cannot balme Islamic Terrorism for this blast.
on Jan 16, 2007
Obviously some people can use it as yet another excuse to insult Muslims, though.
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