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Depression sets in.....
Published on September 16, 2005 By Rightwinger In Misc
A long-standing friendship of mine sadly appears to be ending. I’ve been friends with this person for over 20 years; we met in High School, became good friends (she was like the sister I never had), and, despite our best efforts, eventually drifted apart after graduation separated us, as frequently happens.
Years later, thanks to the Net, we reconnected and caught up with Old Times. We stayed in touch via the Net.
Almost two years ago, work took my wife and myself to Fort Wayne, Indiana, where my friend now happened to be living with her husband and four children.
They were an enormous help to us as we settled in, helping us unload the truck and move our stuff into our new home, even bringing food along so we’d have something to eat. They carted me around an unfamiliar town in search of a job, something for which I am eternally grateful.
As time passed, she and I talked about various things, and, over a year and a half, retied the bonds of friendship. It was nice to have my old friend back in my life, despite changes in us both resulting from age and life in general.


Last November, they invited us over to their home for a surprise birthday dinner for my wife. As I had no way to get to the store without my wife knowing (I wasn’t yet driving again) I asked my friend to pick up a cake, and I would pay them for it. She said they would, and did. We had dinner and cake, and things went smoothly; as they say, a good time was had by all.
As we left, my wife asked for a piece of her cake, which she was given, and we left, leaving over half the cake for them eat.
My friend still expected to be paid for the cake. This, despite the fact that my wife and I had had exactly 3 pieces, and one of those, she’d had to ASK for to take home. The cake was not offered to us to take with us, and we, not really needing it, did not ask for it. We left it there, for them and the kids.
My wife and I agreed that I should not have to pay the fourteen dollars, since they ate nearly the whole thing. They more or less bought the cake, and let us eat some of it.

Not being especially good at confrontations, I avoided the subject whenever, in the months that followed, it was brought up by them.

We have since left Indiana and moved back home.

The other day, the matter was broached again, this time in an e-mail sent to me the by my old friend. Unable to avoid it completely, I decided to face the music and informed her that I was not going to pay the fourteen dollars, and calmly and carefully explained my reasons why.
Well, in a series of nasty e-mails I immediately began receiving in reply, I was called "irresponsible", "a thief", and it was insinuated in one from her husband that I was some sort of con artist who worked at getting "free stuff" by offering to pay but not coming across.
Yeah, I bilked them out of a whole fourteen bucks. Yay, me. Now I can retire.

These people are extremely devout Christians; fundamentalists. People whose faith actually borders on zealotry. This, while being one of their many good points, is strangely one of their problems, as well. The venom in those e-mails is not coming from Christian ideals, despite their offers to pray for me; that God will help me to see the errors of my thieving and irresponsible ways.

In the nearly twenty years since we all last saw one another, they both, my friend and her husband, found Jesus and got religion in a biiiiig way. No problem there.
Trouble is, rather than making them better people, it’s made them extremely self-righteous and judgmental of others. Their faith has cost them friendships, and has even somewhat strained their relationships with their families.
If you don’t get the same messages and ideas that they get out of the Bible, they seem to hold you in varying degrees of contempt. I’ve experienced this first hand, as has my wife, who thinks little of them because of it. They’re right and you’re wrong, and that’s all there is to it.

I informed my old friend, in answer to one of the nastier e-mails, that she had gotten good over the years at making condescending speeches and telling people how they should live, and that that wasn’t the friend I remembered so fondly. She didn’t like this at all, and informed me that yes, she had changed; she’d "grown up" and that I should try the same.
How sad.
All this bile over fourteen lousy dollars. I’m very depressed over it. It helps a little to type this out and share it; to get it out of my system.

I have more to write about my ‘friends’, perhaps questions that some of you, as disinterested parties, may be able to help me with. For now, I will let this stand as it is .


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on Sep 16, 2005
on Sep 16, 2005
send em the 14 dollars, then blow em off, they just ain't worth the grief.
on Sep 16, 2005
send em the 14 dollars, then blow em off, they just ain't worth the grief.


Thanks for the advice, Modman, but that would be giving in to something I don't feel I should. Maybe I'm just stubborn.
They ate the majority of the cake, and I feel that that makes up for the fact that I asked them to get it for us. I don't know. Maybe I will, in the end.
on Sep 16, 2005
I'm confused. You asked someone to do you a favor by buying your wife a cake and offered to pay them for it, and then decided that you didn't want to pay them for it because they ate more (after they graciously invited you into their home for a party and, I assume, feed you dinner and gave you drinks)?

Seems to me awfully silly to fall out over $14 even if you are right...but I just don't see you as being particularly right.
on Sep 16, 2005
#4 by shadesofgrey
Friday, September 16, 2005


Seems to me awfully silly to fall out over $14 even if you are right...but I just don't see you as being particularly right.


she speaks words of good sense rightwinger.

send em the 14 and get over it.

If I could give everyone I met 14 dollars to see exactly where they are at , I would do it in a heartbeat.
on Sep 16, 2005
I have to agree with shades it doesnt' matter how much you ate, you made a commitment to pay for the cake regardless of how much of it you both ate. That's the principle of what your friends are looking at. You didn't keep your word.
on Sep 16, 2005
Seems to me awfully silly to fall out over $14 even if you are right...but I just don't see you as being particularly right.


maybe you're right, shades. Hmmmm...I don't know. Are we being selfish here? I don't know. Either way, the damage is done. The friendship is gone, over fourteen bucks.
I fully intended to pay them the money, up to the point where they kept the cake I was "buying" from them. They then ate the rest of it. If they had offered to wrap the rest of it up for us so we could take it home, and we refused, that would have been one thing. Instead of saying "oh no...it's your cake, take it all", and then us telling them that no, they could keep it, my wife asked for one piece, which she was given. That's it. We should have been given the option of takinghome "our" cake.
But that wasn't the case; my wife had to ask for a single piece of her cake; the cake I was to pay them for, to take home. They kept the rest, over half the sheet, and said nothing as we left. This is the sticking point for me.
on Sep 16, 2005
sounds like you both traded your friendship for $14.00 and a cake. Sorry to be blunt, but the whole "Falling out" seems pretty petty to me.
on Sep 16, 2005
Dude, do you not see where you're both wrong? You ASKED her to buy a cake, and she did. You never paid for it. She bought the cake, but she never volunteered for you guys to take it home. Nevertheless, she BOUGHT the cake that you VOLUNTEERED to pay for. Is she right to make such a big deal out of it? Probably not. Are you right to have not paid her the 14 stinkin' dollars? Probably not.

Both of you are wrong.
on Sep 16, 2005
I'm not trying to be judgmental, but when you say "Pick up the cake and I'll pay you back for it", that's what you should do. Even if you are in the right, is it worth a friendship? People can differ unreasonably on one point, and still be very valuable friends.

I have a friend who has (lost his mind) become very liberal in the last few years. We can't have a political conversation anymore, but I still count him as s friend. Sometimes people can just be wierd about things. You never know, years down the road, after their stubbornness has passed, they might even see it from your point of view.
on Sep 16, 2005
It sounds to me like you must have had underlying issues with this friend if you were so sensitive about her offering up the cake to begin with. Personally, I think the $14 would be justified in your friend doing you the favor of getting the cake and having you over to her home. Getting a house presentable for guests when you have four children is usually no small task. Heck, getting to the store with 4 kids can be a task in itself.

You said yourself you guys didn't even want to take the cake home! There must be more to it. I true friendship would not end over something so petty. I have seen friendships dissolve over much greater sums of money yet still believe there was something more to the end of it than that.

If you were true friends, it is never too late to say you're sorry. If she is truly a christian, she should have no trouble forgiving you. I personally think you were wrong and should apologize but that is just my $.02.
on Sep 16, 2005
Wow. If I were your friend, I'd give you the cake and cut my losses.
on Sep 17, 2005
Sorry about this RW....you and I see eye to eye on just about everything, but not this. "You're" the one that made the promise and you're the one who broke it. I'd have to go along with stutefish on this. I'd just give you the cake and say c-ya! Was losing your friend really worth $14?
on Sep 17, 2005
you know, sometimes being too polite can cause this. Maybe had you asked for the cake, you would have felt more obligated to pay? You claimed you didn't want it, but did they? Maybe they weren't that wild about it either.

I can picture myself standing there kind of wanting to take the cake home but being embarassed to ask for it, even though I paid. Social situations like that are odd. No reason to allow them to ruin a friendship.
on Sep 17, 2005
"I asked my friend to pick up a cake, and I would pay them for it."

"My friend still expected to be paid for the cake."

Now, where is the conflict here?

And before you think about what happened in between, be reminded that your obligations here are based solely and only on the above statements. It doesn't matter what happened to the cake, who ate it, who stole it, who kept it, YOU have to pay for it, because _you said you would_.
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