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My reply taken from Pheonixboi's thread
Published on August 12, 2005 By Rightwinger In Misc
I have no problem with people smoking pot for medicinal reasons, or even to add a little fun to a party or get-together (though the thought of taking a drag after several someones else have had their lips on the thing is really gross, to me). Pot is the least of the drugs, and wasn't even really illegal here in America until, what, 1970?
It's the losers who sit, stupified on the couch covered in orange Cheetos dust and watching TV all day that bug me. I know a few of them, so don't call that a stereotype.
I know a guy who swore that pot wasn't addictive, but couldn't go eight hours without sparking up; I used to work with him. He'd wait till the security guards had made their rounds, then sneak out back for a little break, several times in a shift. He swore up and down that he worked better when stoned. Of course, the crater he wore in the seat of the chair he always sat in in the shop told a different story.
He'd go and do a little work, then go back down and sit for two or three hours, then go out and toke up again, go do a little work, come back and sit again for an hour or two, then punch out and go home. Seemed like every time you went back down to the shop to get something, he was there. Not a very productive guy.
He wasn't addicted, though, right?
I don't smoke pot, and never have; it's just not for me. I used to drink, well, more than a little, but don't now. One reason for that is that I've since crossed over into diabetes, so alcohol is a no-no (I'll occasionally have a beer or mixed drink or two at a wedding, just to loosen me up and improve my dancing ability, but that's about it). Another reaon is that my dad had a real problem with alcohol, and since that seems to run in the genes, I try to stay away from it (in fact, when I do drink and really let it go, it starts to taste REAL good, so I don't drink hardly at all anymore). That's proof, to me, that addiction isn't necessarily a "disease", and can be controlled by, well, self-control. I enjoy sitting there, stone-sober and watching people stumble around and continuing to make enormous asses out of themselves.

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on Aug 12, 2005
on Aug 12, 2005
No matter what the substance, there are always going to be those who either abuse it or become addicted.


That's it in a nutshell. I personally don't smoke pot. I don't smoke anything anymore. After 11 years in a jail I have never seen an aggresive pothead! But I've seen plenty of aggresion from folks on legal alcohol!

My chief thing against pot would be the total lack of any quality control. You just don't know what your buying. Whereas a Coors beer (my poison) is pretty much gonna be identical with one a mile down the line. If pot were legal, than this obstacle would be gone.

i just don't see the big deal...
on Aug 12, 2005
Whether a person has problems with any particular drug or not depends on a lot of factors, but some people just have an addictive personality, and will abuse anything they can get their hands on.
---LW

Which goes into my point about self-control. My dad was an alcoholic; he was addicted, and couldn't pass his favorite bar (and he had a few of those) without stopping "for one or two", which usually ended up being 1 or 2 in the morning. Since I find alcohol to be especially inviting, I must assume that I have the same addiction problem, so I don't indulge (the fact that I used to hate my dad when he was drunk, which was a lot of the time, feeds into my resistance to it, too). I choose to curb my inclination. I feel that others, given the proper motivation, can resist it, too. Addiction is a tragedy, but an avoidable one, if you want.

My chief thing against pot would be the total lack of any quality control. You just don't know what your buying. Whereas a Coors beer (my poison) is pretty much gonna be identical with one a mile down the line. If pot were legal, than this obstacle would be gone.
---Shovelheat

Very true. I'm a Coors man, myself, and they all taste as good as the last one (that being my problem).
I've said many times that you don't knopw what you're buying with any illegal drug, and hence, don't know what you might be putting in your body. "Oregano is usually used to stretch a bag of pot", they say, or "baby laxative is most often used in coke". The key phrse here, of course, is "most often".

Legalization of pot would be a good thing, I think. Is it a "gateway" drug, though, as some say?
on Aug 12, 2005
How about coffee?


I don't smoke (I got my lifetime supply of nicotine as a kid from my mom and dad, both heavy smokers), but coffee is my particular vice. I love it. Coffee and cancer sticks, though, don't have the same...I guess " psychological link" would be the right phrase to use here...to other illegal drugs. When you smoke a cigarette or drink coffee, you're not thinking about other drugs you could use to get you a better, stronger buzz or high, if you get me. Also, when you're having a cup of joe at Starbucks or your mom's house, you're probably not going to be around the other kinds of harder stuff, which is often present (or is at least accessible) at the same time as weed, in my experience.
on Aug 12, 2005
WOW good to see you man, where you been?

I do not smoke pot for one simple reason > I am still a dopefiend even though I am clean and sober.

I even have a prescription to smoke dope here in cali, but cannot for obvious reasons, I smoke a joint, a "nice" glass of wine is sure to follow, then I will be tired from dope and wine and will need a pickme up, maybe some coke or crank.. then I will not be able to sleep so a couple barbituates will follow. get me?
on Aug 12, 2005
WOW good to see you man, where you been?


We moved, and just got things back up and running. Thanks for the welcome, Modman. Good to be back.

I do not smoke pot for one simple reason > I am still a dopefiend even though I am clean and sober.


+LOL+

I even have a prescription to smoke dope here in cali, but cannot for obvious reasons, I smoke a joint, a "nice" glass of wine is sure to follow, then I will be tired from dope and wine and will need a pickme up, maybe some coke or crank.. then I will not be able to sleep so a couple barbituates will follow. get me?


This is what LW was refering to as an addictive personality. It's good that you know your limitations and stay away from what sucks you in.
on Aug 12, 2005
#8 by Rightwinger
Friday, August 12, 2005


This is what LW was refering to as an addictive personality. It's good that you know your limitations and stay away from what sucks you in.


I USED to say... I never met a drug I did not like.. alot!

my first drugs in order of importence was YOURS, THEN CAME MORE, then came MINE.

MM mumbles.... says real good to see you again, been wondering what happened.
on Aug 12, 2005
The main problem with weed is that it kills drive and ambition. Chronic smokers become chronic procrastinators. Chronic procrastinators become chronic failures.


Not necessarily for all people. My brother for instance smokes about 10 a day. And one thing he is NOT is a "Chronic procrastinator" or failure.
on Aug 12, 2005
I don't smoke pot because I haven't found any good ditchweed lately! And I'm too much of a cheapskate to pay the dealer (ever since he got them spinner rims, I'm thinking his profit margins a little bigger'n I thought).

NOTE TO FEDS: Just playin, y'all. No need to sic RinTinTin on my ass!