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So "liberal" is a dirty word, huh? What took so long?
Published on June 3, 2005 By Rightwinger In Politics
I saw a "Hi and Lois" comic some time ago, wherein Hi tells his son Chip that he’s old enough to remember when "Liberal wasn’t a dirty word",and Chip reacted with shock.
I hear that all the time, actually….that, since 9/11, "liberal" is now a dirty word, derided by all. It’s about time, I say.
"Conservative", when you come right down to it, has been a dirty word for 40 years and more, ever since a commercial aired in which the voice of a cute little girl in a sun dress, counting the petals on a daisy, morphs into that of a countdown. As the voice reaches "one", the little girl’s eye, in extreme close-up, suddenly fills with the image of an atomic mushroom cloud, which in turn pegged Barry Goldwater as a hawk out to nuke the Reds and destroy the world. This blew away his chances for the White House in 1964.
Richard Nixon, running in 1968, lampooned his own popular image as a right-wing stiff by appearing in the "Sock it to me" cameos on the hip comedy/variety show "Laugh-In". It is this appearance that is sometimes credited with his winning the election.
The Right has been derided time and again, no matter which side is "in power" (indeed, when we are in power, the insults fly even harder and faster; Reagan, for example, was one of the most popular presidents in modern history, but you wouldn’t have known, or know it, from Hollywood) in movies and TV and the media in general.
This is because adherents of the Left, admit it or deny it, have positioned themselves in offices of power in Hollywood and New York, the bi-coastal capitals of the American media kingdom.
In 1971, Norman Lear introduced the world to a lovable bigot named Archie Bunker. Bunker was a buffoon; a "typical", for that era, at least, right-wing zealot. He became something of a template for right-wingers as portrayed in the media; he was closed-minded, chained to the past, short-sighted, easily frustrated by those who didn’t agree with him and mildly daffy in his political and social outlook.
Gloria and "Meathead", his liberal, hippie daughter and son-in-law, on the other hand, were right on, baby. They were young, they were hip and they were happenin’; they knew what was "shakin’", what was "goin’ down".
Archie, as performed by Carroll O’Connor (himself a champion of many left-wing causes) was frustratingly stodgy and old-fashioned; Meathead and Gloria were patient, mod and well-informed; their arguments were well-founded and solid.
Archie’s were not; the arguments put forth by the elder Bunker were usually silly, vague, mildly idiotic and most often rooted in the past, with a
"because that’s how it should be, so there" attitude. Archie’s wife Edith, I suppose, was the "moderate" of the group, always finding common ground on which the two extremes could co-exist.
Conservatives down through the last 4 decades have been portrayed, in movies, TV and print, by many turns, as buffoonish, hawkish, violent, racist, mean-spirited, greedy sons of bitches, very often with gun racks in their trucks, huge pot bellies stretching their dingy "wife-beater" t-shirts and hanging low over their dirty jeans. Greasy, unkempt hair sticking out from under a cheap, dirty mesh ball cap and often speaking with thick southern accents were also often features of the stereotypical conservative. We’ve all seen it.
We have also frequently been portrayed as cruel, power-hungry suits, sitting behind massive oaken desks in ornate, well-furnished offices, mercilessly crushing the little guy in our lust for control and profit. This goes on, as I say, no matter which side it is that’s "in power" at the time.
I, however, as a political conservative, do not fit either of these descriptions. Does any other conservative reading this fit either mold?

For all these reasons, I think that the Left’s cries of foul for the last four years of abuse for their "treasonous" choice of political identity are virtually unfounded and entirely unnecessary. They’ve had it coming. For a long time.
After all, we’ve been getting it, at their hands, for ten times that long, folks! They want to whine and cry about it now that they’re at last getting it, too? I don’t think so. They’ve got some payback coming, I feel.
The major difference here, of course, is that conservatives can laugh at themselves and take abuse with a smile. Liberals cannot. They get offended too easily.

Oh, you poor lefties. All the old chickens are coming home to roost, are they? Tough; deal with it. We do.

Comments
on Jun 03, 2005
Ok here is the deal I used to be a liberal and took pride in it. then slowly the left {faR} took over and I drifted to moderate democrat, then the left decided that a traitor like hanoijohn kerry would be a swell choice for President, that's when I switched parties and became a proud rightwinger.

I would not piss on todays liberal if they was on fire.
on Jun 08, 2005
If I could piss gasoline, I might, Modman.+LOL+
on Jun 08, 2005
Shockingly enough, I think I agree with you here. I am a liberal, or a leftist, or whatever you would like to call me, but I do agree that the left has had it coming. We've had our share of fun teasing all the rightwingers, and now they can feel free to tease us back. If some of us are so stuck up that we can't take it, then that "some of us'" problem. Not all leftists do see it that way, however. I'm all for the satire and the shows and the teasing; I find it amusing to twist just about every party out of shape and give them extremes and then air it.

Though might I add that I highly doubt every conservative or rightwinger just laughed it all off? You guys can get pretty uptight too, you know. it's not just the liberals.

Cheers, Pads
on Jun 08, 2005
Shockingly enough, I think I agree with you here. I am a liberal, or a leftist, or whatever you would like to call me, but I do agree that the left has had it coming. We've had our share of fun teasing all the rightwingers, and now they can feel free to tease us back. If some of us are so stuck up that we can't take it, then that "some of us'" problem. Not all leftists do see it that way, however. I'm all for the satire and the shows and the teasing; I find it amusing to twist just about every party out of shape and give them extremes and then air it.

Though might I add that I highly doubt every conservative or rightwinger just laughed it all off? You guys can get pretty uptight too, you know. it's not just the liberals.

Cheers, Pads


Nice to hear from the other side of the aisle; thanks for posting. Though I agree that there are many stodgy righties, we do seem, by and large, to be the political standard-bearers of humor and self-effacement. The left simply seems to take itself too literally and seriously. Great to hear from you.
on Jun 08, 2005
Nice to hear from the other side of the aisle; thanks for posting. Though I agree that there are many stodgy righties, we do seem, by and large, to be the political standard-bearers of humor and self-effacement. The left simply seems to take itself too literally and seriously. Great to hear from you.


And thank you for not blowing up at me for actually expressing my opinion.

I think mostly I'm just tired of everyone generalizing everyone else. Liberals do it, Conservatives do it, everyone does it and then everyone else gets offended and we get into huge arguments over absolutely nothing because people cna't choose their words properly. That's when all the satire comes out and then more people get hurt because they're getting made fun of and in the end nothing is getting done and everyone is just shouting- "you're stupid!" "Not as much as you!" "Nu-uh!" "Yeah-huh!" "Nu-uh!" "Yeah-huh!" and so on.

I agree though- liberals take things a little too seriously sometimes. We don't know how to joke much, it's really rather depressing. I know I laugh just as much at the liberal jokes as I do at the conservative jokes. But then, I'm an odd person, I suppose.

Cheers, Pads
on Jun 08, 2005
I mentioned on another thread that you may be more of a moderate than you think....I still think that.
on Jun 08, 2005
And thank you for not blowing up at me for actually expressing my opinion


I don't do that unless I'm attacked first, and there are several bloggers here who shoot first and ask questions later. If you're nice, I'm nice.
on Jun 08, 2005
I mentioned on another thread that you may be more of a moderate than you think....I still think that


Really? Why's that?

I'm very much so liberal, but that doesn't mean my views are the views of the majority of liberals. They are liberal opinions through and through, but not all liberal opinions are the majority opinions. The majority opinion is what is most pronounced. That doesn't mean it's how all liberals think.

Actually, up until now, I haven't really started expressing my opinions on many of these threads {mostly because the people who write them are most focused on bashing individual people or groups instead of talking about issues}- and I've just been responding to what other people are saying. this says my views in a way, but I haven't really come outright and said it all.

I'll make some threads eventually...when I get a bit more used to how things work around here and get to know the major members so that I know how to properly respond to some of the stupider ones.

I don't do that unless I'm attacked first, and there are several bloggers here who shoot first and ask questions later. If you're nice, I'm nice.


I've noticed that, and thanks for it. You're actually one of the few members I've seen on here who doesn't go off on tangents and start personally insulting and attacking people. I'm beginning to think people like that are increasingly rare around here.

Granted, I come from forums where you get deleted for so much as mentioning that you might not like someone, or for even vaguely going off on a tangent, so here is a little lax for me. Hell, where I'm from, people get deleted if they double post. So, this all seems a little unorganized and pointless to me. ..though I'm rather grateful for it right now, because I just got to go off on my own tangent.

Cheers, Pads
on Jun 09, 2005
Really? Why's that?


Because you don't seem to be a strict idealogue like so many of the libs around here; your views seem to be a little more to the middle.
I love it here at JU.....it's fun,and I've made some friends.
You'e free to say what you want here; that's not always a good thing, of course, but those who get too far out there can find themselves blacklisted or even banned. There are rules, after all; this is a kind of democracy, not anarchy. You'll see that the longer you hang around.
Go ahead and post something....see where it leads. That's what I did about a year ago, and I'm still here. Welcome!

who doesn't go off on tangents and start personally insulting and attacking people.


Oh, I've been known to do that on occasion, but I usually have to be really annoyed or just plain pissed off for whatever reason.
on Jun 09, 2005
Wrong, lol. It's a dictatorship, dear, we have no vote, voice, or say in the matter. That being said, Draginol is a benevolent dictator, and tends to let things slide that would get you banished elsewhere immediately.


Well, yeah, but I meant overall....a free environment. We do, after all, have some input into the way things go, if we contact admin and make suggestions. We can blacklist troublemakers....it's kind of a democracy run by a dictator. How's that?