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Life in Roddenberry's Utopia
Published on May 6, 2005 By Rightwinger In OS Customization
As an avid and longtime Trekker, I have often wondered what the average person back on Earth is doing while brave people like Jim Kirk, Jean-Luc Picard and the other incarnations of Gene Roddenberry's Starfleet nobly expand the borders of the Federation and the limits of knowledge.
I'll tell you what they're doing: they're sleeping all day, getting up at 4pm and cracking open another bottle of Romulan Ale (yes, it's illegal, but what the hell.....) and getting bombed, or shooting up with Denebian Whacky Cracky.

Gene Roddenberry was a devout liberal, and envisioned a future with "no greed, no hunger". There was no need for money, as technology had advanced to the place where there was enough of anything for anybody. Nobody needed to work because nobody needed money; all they had to do was go to the replicator and ask for whatever they wanted, and it would be made for them right there and then. Of course, who built the replicator and how they were paid for their effort was never explained.
There was plenty of food, since any schmoe could simply stagger over to the food slot and say "I'll have a 20-ounce prime rib, medium rare, three lobster tails infused with butter and some truffles," and it would appear.

The main thing wrong with Roddenberry's vision of this future is that, if you remove hunger and greed, you've pretty much removed any motivation for humans to do pretty much anything. Those two things have been the engines behind a lot of history, good as well as bad. What he saw as a Utopia of plenty would actually be a technology-driven and based welfare state.
Roddenberry, as a stereotypical, and very hedonistic, I might add,liberal, saw a future where people, no longer having to work, just sat around reading poetry or the works of Shakepeare, or somehow found motivation to dedicate their lives to the betterment of humanity because there was no longer any need to struggle (of course, if there were no longer any need to struggle, what would be the point of dedicating your life to its aleviation?) . Those of us who are realists can clearly see that anything as efficient and disciplined as a Starfleet or Federation could never actually grow and be sustained in such an environment. No one, having no reason to get out of bed in the morning other than to sit in the sun and revel in life itself, is going to be motivated to do much of anything. Period. We can see this for ourselves in those who make a living from playing the welfare system. If you hand them free food and money, you take away their desire to do more than get stoned or drunk and lay around doing nothing.

One thing that always struck me as odd was the dichotomy in the tastes of the heroes in Trek.
They lived in a society where everything was instantly manufactured for them by machine, yet both Kirk and Picard, especially, favored antique this and hand-crafted that. Why should they so appreciate these things, created from the sweat and struggle of someone for whom such things were a way of life, when that was clearly not the right way of thinking? Isn't it better that no one has to work anymore? No one has to get out of bed to get to a job on time to simply be exploited and made to work to produce things instead of being able to do as they wished? Welcome to Roddenberry's future.

The future is now, people. You just have to be able to play it right.

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on May 06, 2005
Bump...sorry.
on May 06, 2005
I never figured out who this Captain Slog was Kirk kept talking to...
on May 06, 2005
WHY DID YOU DELETE MY POST? BECAUSE IT CONTRADICTED THE POINT YOU WERE MAKING?
on May 06, 2005
It's not true that no one worked in the Star Trek Universe. The spaceships weren't built by machines.

As for money, there's a conflict. What about the Ferengi? Gold-Pressed Latinum?
on May 06, 2005
Ok, maybe you didn't. Damn server.
on May 06, 2005
From what I see around the world, the only thing socialism has done against hunger and greed is keep the greedy fed and the people hungry.
on May 06, 2005
I've always laughed at the concept that people in Star Trek's day only work to better themselves and humanity, with no thought to monetary gain.

I've had a lot of jobs that I would have done for free, if my finances allowed (In fact, I've done a few jobs for free even when my finances didn't all), but anyway, running ambulance, teaching guitar, and being an adult literacy tudor, all have rewards of their own, beyond the monetary.

On the other hand, how do you "better yourself and humanity" working in a mine or factory, or cleaning floors or doing laundry.

In one article, I brought this up, only to be answered with, "well, my mom washed my clothes for no money". So maybe that's the answer, maybe everyone has their mom do everything for them until they die. ;~D
on May 06, 2005
From what I see around the world, the only thing socialism has done against hunger and greed is keep the greedy fed and the people hungry.


Very true. Look at Romania under Ceasescu for a prime example of that fact.


literacy tudor,


For the record, it's "tutor", Mr. Literacy tudor.+LOL+ If you were a Tudor, you'd be part of the royal family of Henry VIII, I believe.

On the other hand, how do you "better yourself and humanity" working in a mine or factory, or cleaning floors or doing laundry.


Well, let's break it down....you're paying taxes and keeping the economy afloat, both by going to work and by purchasing the soap to do the floors and laundry. You're also keeping yourself healthy and free from unpleasant odors that might offend others. I think working is better for humanity as a whole than sitting around doing nothing. Thanks for posting.

To anyone else who posts:

Please refer future posts to this article re-posted in Misc. I'm anal that way.
on May 06, 2005
It's not true that no one worked in the Star Trek Universe. The spaceships weren't built by machines.

As for money, there's a conflict. What about the Ferengi? Gold-Pressed Latinum?


I replied to this on the re-post in Misc. Thanks.
on May 06, 2005
It's a nice idea to think that someday we may overcome our selfish tendencies. Sure it's unrealistic, but we're talking about Science Fiction here, a theme in Sci-Fi often is that humanity somehow eventually becomes better than it is now, makes some magical leap from the society we know today where most people don't care about anything beyond themselves to a society where we all genuinely want to give back for the sake of giving back. It's a story telling device really and lets us explore ideas on how the world would be given different circumstances.

I don't think I know a single person who would actively work against a utopian societ if it was actually possible. Sure, you can say it won't happen and you're silly for hoping it would, but if it ever did present itself, if ever it became a possibility, I don't think anyone would seriously oppose it.
on May 06, 2005
It's a nice idea to think that someday we may overcome our selfish tendencies. Sure it's unrealistic, but we're talking about Science Fiction here, a theme in Sci-Fi often is that humanity somehow eventually becomes better than it is now, makes some magical leap from the society we know today where most people don't care about anything beyond themselves to a society where we all genuinely want to give back for the sake of giving back. It's a story telling device really and lets us explore ideas on how the world would be given different circumstances.[/quote)

One of the great things about Roddenberry's vision, though, was that we made it through the Third World War, and were the better for it. Sci-Fi up to and at that point was most often apocolyptic or post-apocolyptic stuff, giving a bleak view of the future and humanity's role in it.
I agree that it's just sci-fi, and it's a story, but it just always amused me that while Kirk was out there fighting Romulans, Joe Human was probably back home, jobless and sitting on the couch eating Cheetos and watching the Starfleet Academy-Vulcan Science Academy Basketball game.
We can hope for such a future, yes, but I doubt it will ever happen.
on May 06, 2005
Well..LoL..If no one had to work..what would you call "Starfleet" it's a Military organization, even though their mission was exploration, it was also defense, Thats work.. I have to disagree with your entire anology of the series, and/or the man that created it...
He was a Sci-fi/fantasy writer and though his storylines did not focus strongly upon some elements of real life, that doesnt mean he discounted them altogether..
His goal was to entertain, and thats what he has managed to do.

It's so sad when people can watch a show for years and totally miss the most basic point of it..

Zero.
on May 06, 2005
People do work in Star Trek's future just different work than now. It is difficult to really speculate on what other jobs exactly as they were rarely portrayed. It appeared though that there were still transportation networks, schools, military and scientists to name a few that I can think of right now.
Picard is shown working in his vineyard in his later years. Is that a hobby or work? I just think jobs other than those on a starship were really not portrayed fully so hard to say what work everyone is doing.
I think Roddenberry liked to also suggest that in the future everyone got along better. However if they get along too well you have no conflict, you have no show. So inevitably problems were introduced, obviously most of them alien, but sometimes conflicts within the crew as well.
I think replicators were on starships since they were easier to provide food for a large crew rather than regular rations. Although as seen on Voyager with Neelix and TNG with Guinan in the bar, they could provide real food and drink served by real people - who are working. I doubt that replicators are used much on earth. In fact did you ever think how the replicators make food? They obviously use something, some type of matter, it doesn't just come out of thin air. Someone has to fixed them when they break, etc. Star Trek doesn't use "droids" or robots really, so I assume its real people doing the work.

Anyway I understand where your statements come from but they do lack some truths. It is after all a TV show and it is impossible to show all they occurs in a society in that time frame. I do agree if society ever reaches a point where there is no "work" then we will die as a society. We live through our accomplishments. When there is nothing to accomplish, we wither and die.


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on May 07, 2005
Humans will be always humans. We are not perfect. Apparently during star trek most of the bad elements has been weeded out. (Hidden history somewhere? ) But it's MOST not all. So Star Trek can have imperfect humans as well as less than perfectly peaceful and honest aliens.

I do agree if society ever reaches a point where there is no "work" then we will die as a society. We live through our accomplishments. When there is nothing to accomplish, we wither and die.


I kind of agree with that, but there is ways to have goals. Such as first to see a planet, an alien race, first to discover a new scientific, new technology, etc etc as well as something as simple as trying to make the best wine in known universe. So there is plenty of goals, but nothing related to wealth and/or power.
on May 07, 2005
Albert Einstein didn't care about money. He did what he did for his own peace of mind and to better all mankind.
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