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I posted this in philosophy/life, and got no responses, so....RE-POST!!
Published on January 2, 2012 By Rightwinger In US Domestic

I was recently in a friendly--for the most part--discussion about gay marriage.

Now, I really have no valid opinion on the subject, but I will say that I don't think galaxies are going to explode, if gays and lesbians are given the right to say "I do". After all, in the words of the great country music legend/drag queen icon Dolly Parton, "They should have to suffer, right along with the rest of us."
And besides, I really don't think it's my place to judge them. What they do is between them and the God to whom they so cavalierly flip the finger.

It's their choice, it's their consequences. At least, that's how I see it.

However, because I made the statement that I didn't really agree with the homosexual "lifestyle", I was called a "hater".

Several times. Often vehemently.

Now, why am I a hater?

All I did, was to express an opinion; I don't "hate" gay people. My sister is a lesbian, and a very good friend is bi-sexual. The father of another good friend came out several years ago, and he and his "partner" are friends of ours, as well.

I simply disagree with how they live their lives. Is that so shameful and intolerant, really? 

I mean, I disagree with how drug addicts and theives live their lives too, but am I considered a hater for it? I don't think so....
And really, don't gays pretty much disagree with how I live my life, too, having that yucky natural, vaginal sex with someone of the opposite gender, and all.....ICK!

In fact, over the years, I've been derisively called a "breeder" and a "straight"; like there's something weird, or perverse about it. 
Why are they not considered haters, for that? For having that intolerant opinion about me, and what I do in my bedroom? For "hating on" my lifestyle?
Why do we allow political correctness to only go one way? If you understand what I mean, that is?
Why aren't both sides held to the same standard of decorum?

And you know, while I'm at it, speaking of hate, do atheists ever attack any other religions besides Christianity?
They can say the most ignorant, vile, hateful, despicable things about Jesus Christ and the faith He founded, but they never seem to tag other faiths as severely, if at all.

Why is that?

Maybe it's because we Christians are an easy target; we might defend our faith in a debate, but other than that, we won't fight back very hard. They know nothing will really happen to them, if they nastily belittle our beliefs.
I mean, it's not like we're going to issue a fatwa against them or anything, right?

And, they say these mean, hateful things because--as we all know--we're the haters. Not them. 

Funny how hypocrisy works, isn't it?

 


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on Jan 04, 2012

Hypocrisy is a fundamental characteristic of most Americans these days. I spend a lot of time on Google+ and come across a bunch of post from Democrats criticizing republicans for many things and more often than not I can't help but point out how Democrats can be criticized for the same things. Some dont like it, others pretend to be pointing at both but its obvious they are not.

The same goes with religious vs atheist debates on Google+. It's as if somehow one side thinks the other is so horrible but they only focus on one religion, Christianity. And if you mention how Muslims think killing the infidels is what they believe in, people dont fail to mention the Crusades or the abortion clinic bombings as if Christians are going around making terrorist look like kids with firecrackers and paintball guns.

When it comes to politics, religion, gender and race, most Americans are Hypocrites with a capital H and often stupid to boot. sometimes they don't even realize the stupidities they say when they try to defend their opinions.

on Jan 09, 2012

ChuckUSA1
Why do we allow political correctness to only go one way?

Maybe it is because the LGBT crowd is not trying to deny the straight crowd such things as hospital visitation rights, pension and VA benefits, adoption rights etc.

ChuckUSA1
And really, don't gays pretty much disagree with how I live my life

Most probably really don't care how you live your life. There is a big difference between simply choosing how one lives their own life and criticizing how others live theirs simply because they do not make the same choices as others do.

Maybe it's because we Christians are an easy target

I think maybe it is because it is Christian advocacy groups that are predominantly the ones trying to impose their religious views in this country through legislative actions.    

on Jan 09, 2012

You actually got two replies there, RW (in Philosophy/Life).

on Jan 09, 2012

ChuckUSA1
Hypocrisy is a fundamental characteristic of most Americans these days.

I do not see what hypocrisy has to do with the real world of science.  The only hypocrisy I see is when someone whips out their trusty 147th rendition of the Book of Truth into the argument. When is the last time a Muslim or a Buddhist or a “whatever” pressed their arguments here on JU? I have said many times that my disagreement is with all religions and is the same. But if you are so narrow-minded as to think everything around you is an attack on Christianity, then you have a bigger head than I thought. When an atheist says they don’t believe in God, you somehow think it only applies to your chosen idol for some reason. Do you know how many religious ‘sects’ exist around the world (thousands) … but only you guys get picked on, I am so sad. If one is right and can prove themselves so... what need for hypocrisy? This is why the Church needs it … to fruitlessly argue their deceits.

I mean, it's not like we're going to issue a fatwa against them or anything, right?

What do you call a 'death sentence' ... jelly beans? Hypocrisy ... don't even get me started on that one ... you are discussing Christianity here right?  I do not believe in God, so what, and I just go about living my life only now, I am in charge of it, not some religious institution hell bent on getting rich and deceiving humanity.

Maybe it's because we Christians are an easy target;

Maybe it is just because of the condemnation from all of Christendom since recorded (religious) times began. Seems like you guys made this mess come about (like most others we face) through a thousand years of inflicting as much pain and suffering and death as possible on gays ... not the other way around. Paybacks are a real world bitch … not that you yourself deserved to be treated that way. Two wrongs don’t make a right … but you guys need to accept your responsibility here, as the sole instigator and you deserve no sympathy when your ‘chickens come Home to roost’. You didn't actually use ‘Christian’ and 'tolerance in the same paragraph did you, hahaha? And maybe it has something to do with their treatment today in the name of God ofcourse.

on Jan 09, 2012

I enjoyed your article.

I can relate for I have been called a hater too as recently as just a few days ago here on JU.  I figure being called a hater that comes with the territory of disagreeing with the "anything goes" crowd.

 

 

As far as hate goes, these people hate absolutes, especially Almighty God's Absolutes and that's where Christianity get its "ought" and "ought nots", namely morality.

 

 

 

on Jan 09, 2012

... I will say that I don't think galaxies are going to explode, if gays and lesbians are given the right to say "I do". .....And besides, I really don't think it's my place to judge them. What they do is between them and the God to whom they so cavalierly flip the finger.

Well, this is the problem and where the complications come in.

"What they do" is no longer just between them and Almighty God when the instition of Marriage is changed to accommodate what they do.

"What they do" is no longer just between them and Almighty God when they expect my tax money to pay for what they do and all the troubles and disease what they do is known for.

 

on Jan 09, 2012

However, because I made the statement that I didn't really agree with the homosexual "lifestyle", I was called a "hater".

I simply disagree with how they live their lives. Is that so shameful and intolerant, really?

And one day saying that will be considered a hate crime.

 

 

 

on Jan 09, 2012

lulapilgrim
What they do" is no longer just between them and Almighty God when the instition of Marriage is changed to accommodate what they do.

They want the right to civil marriage not religious marriage, so God really has nothing to do with it and they are not asking to change the institution of marriage as you see it in religious terms.

on Jan 09, 2012

lulapilgrim
As far as hate goes, these people hate absolutes, especially Almighty God's Absolutes and that's where Christianity get its "ought" and "ought nots", namely morality.
Anytime you actually desire to pit Biblical morals against secular morals ... just let me know ok?

Lula, (god help me) are you saying that people are not permitted to go elsewhere than the RCC to be 'properly wed'? If that is the case, then I never have been married hahaha. You don't think I would rely on the Church do you...? What about the Christians that are gay ... or is this mostly just their 'openness' ... just write them off too. Just start with the Romans and work back through history ... homosexuality has been around longer than Christianity has.

 

 

on Jan 09, 2012

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Smoothseas
Maybe it is because the LGBT crowd is not trying to deny the straight crowd such things as hospital visitation rights, pension and VA benefits, adoption rights etc.

I don't really see what one has to do with the other, but okay....

Smoothseas
Most probably really don't care how you live your life. There is a big difference between simply choosing how one lives their own life and criticizing how others live theirs simply because they do not make the same choices as others do.

Well, outside of Africa, of course, homosexual contact remains the main conduit for spreading AIDS and AIDS-related sicknesses, despite 3 decades of waiting for it to "make the jump to heteros", as the PC medical community puts it. AIDS was supposed to be an epidemic by 1990; yet it's still mainly an issue of homosexual contact .
Well, homosexual contact and IV needle-sharing by the drug addicts I mentioned above. I, of course, in my infinte hate and intolerance, find that somewhat significant.
I make many poor choices in my "lifestyle"; none involve purposely, knowingly, willingly, engaging in activity which would expose me to AIDS. Sorry; not gonna do it.

[quote who="Smoothseas" reply="2" id="3052154"]I think maybe it is because it is Christian advocacy groups that are predominantly the ones trying to impose their religious views in this country through legislative actions.]

Perhaps; but there is at least one other religion in the world, which is far more intolerant and imposing, yet it never seems to take many hits.

See, though, you make a typical mistake of the anti-Christians; you want to lay the blame at the door of the faith as a whole, rather than at that of the flawed, faulted faithful.

 

on Jan 09, 2012

BoobzTwo
Maybe it is just because of the condemnation from all of Christendom since recorded (religious) times began. Seems like you guys made this mess come about (like most others we face) through a thousand years of inflicting as much pain and suffering and death as possible on gays ... not the other way around. Paybacks are a real world bitch … not that you yourself deserved to be treated that way. Two wrongs don’t make a right … but you guys need to accept your responsibility here, as the sole instigator and you deserve no sympathy when your ‘chickens come Home to roost’. You didn't actually use ‘Christian’ and 'tolerance in the same paragraph did you, hahaha? And maybe it has something to do with their treatment today in the name of God ofcourse.

BoobzTwo
What do you call a 'death sentence' ... jelly beans? Hypocrisy ... don't even get me started on that one ... you are discussing Christianity here right? I do not believe in God, so what, and I just go about living my life only now, I am in charge of it, not some religious institution hell bent on getting rich and deceiving humanity.

Wooow; my, my...look at all that hate. Thanks for proving my point so handily.

on Jan 09, 2012

Smoothseas
They want the right to civil marriage not religious marriage, so God really has nothing to do with it and they are not asking to change the institution of marriage as you see it in religious terms.

 

People want the right to a lot of things, but homosexual "marriage" is an absurdity. Those states and countries in which it has been passed into law are doomed. It's just a matter of time. Marriage is not a creature of the state that can be changed at man's fickle will.

Marriage was established by Almighty God in the garden of Paradise. God created them male and female and blessed them saying, "be fruitful and multiply." Marriage between a man and a woman is a relationship rooted in human nature and governed by natural law which is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally.

That's why whether it is civil or religious marriage, it is still a covenant before Almighty God. But, yes, Christ elevated marriage to a Sacrament in Christianity.

 

Throughout every civilization, Marriage was always a covenant between a man and a woman by which they could produce children for the benefit of society to go on. The State (until Obama got elected) has always had a compelling interest in protecting, supporting and promoting marriage. This aids in perpetuating and strengthening society.

 

In general, getting the marriage tag isn't really about having hospital visitation, getting benefits, etc. All that is just a ruse. It's about moving the homosexual part of the sexual revolution forward, getting the State to actively promote homosexuality as normal, acceptable, respectable, even good as is heterosexual marriage and punish those who disagree.  From there, the State (with the eager help of teacher unions) orders the public schools to teach its acceptability to children.

 

on Jan 09, 2012

BoobzTwo
Anytime you actually desire to pit Biblical morals against secular morals ... just let me know ok?

Hmmmmm .... what are "secular morals" anyway? 

 

on Jan 09, 2012

Rightwinger
Wooow; my, my...look at all that hate. Thanks for proving my point so handily.

She did say:

Rightwinger
not that you yourself deserved to be treated that way.

So although you wish your point was being proved you certainly don't understand the difference between debate,discourse,disagreement and hate.

Rightwinger
I don't really see what one has to do with the other, but okay....

It has everything to do with the issue. Unfortunately you seem to confuse disagreement with hatred. You also seem to be incapable of distinguishing between individuals since not all individuals within the group you are stereotyping display the same degree of disagreement which may or may not be hatred.

Rightwinger
homosexual contact remains the main conduit for spreading AIDS and AIDS-related sicknesses, despite 3 decades of waiting for it to "make the jump to heteros"

You have your facts wrong. When you look at the statistics globally the spread has always been mainly through heterosexual contact. Maybe that is why you wish to so "conviently" exclude Africa. In the US it is also spreading now more through heterosexual contact than otherwise. The fact is it is spread through sexual contact irrespective of sexual orientation. So should the table be turned now and intolerance be directed towards heterosexuals as well since the statistics show that? Of course I don't believe that however I am simply showing that you cannot hide your intolerance through such invalid uninformed untrue BS.

Rightwinger
Perhaps; but there is at least one other religion in the world, which is far more intolerant and imposing, yet it never seems to take many hits.

It takes plenty of hits. Atheists in the US simply don't need to get involved because certain other religious groups are not getting laws passed to impose their views on others in this country.

Rightwinger
See, though, you make a typical mistake of the anti-Christians

I'm not Anti-Christian. I was raised as a christian and still live by Christian values. I simply don't believe in God but even in light of that I seem to be more tolerant of others than many who do believe in God. Maybe that is because the pastor who preached in the church I attended as a kid was more tolerant of others than some? I simply strongly disagree with those who are trying to impose their beliefs on others through the lawmaking process. I believe some of the things they are trying to pass are unconstitutional, specifically some of the issues that are being pushed on religious doctrine.

 

In the end maybe you will realize that it has very little to do with what you believe....It has EVERYTHING to do with the people who are trying to impose those beliefs on others.

 

 

on Jan 09, 2012

lulapilgrim
Marriage was established by Almighty God in the garden of Paradise.

Marriage was created by men who wanted to control who could and couldn't marry and to make sure that the couple and their offspring would be throwing their coin into their offering plates instead of elsewhere.

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