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Published on December 3, 2004 By Rightwinger In Misc
I have known quite a few homosexuals in my life, having worked with some, and just having known others as friends. Homosexuality itself is not something I support per se, but they're the ones who are going to have to stand before the Throne and answer for their activities, not me.
Through this association, I have acquired what is colloquially known as a "gaydar"....that is, for those who don't know the term, I can often identify gays and lesbians, having just met them and with no other knowledge of them. This comes, I think, from being in close contact with them day after day; you pick up on mannerisms and speech patterns, which worm their way into your unconscious and become recognizable.
My gaydar is not so well refined as in others, however...effeminate men often throw me off, as do butch females.

Having said all this, let me get to my point: gays piss me off.

Unlike heterosexuals, they always seem to want to rub your nose in their gaiety....the ones I've worked with had a nasty habit of coming in in the morning and relating, in minute detail, the sexual encounters they had the night before.
One guy I knew, who I'll call "Mike", was a raging queen who used to love to relate to us, especially me, all the gooey details of what he and his butt-buddies did to each other (I was one of the lucky ones that he first came out to, by the way).
He knew it bugged me, and that's why he did it, just to be a jerk. After asking him, on several occasions, to knock it off, one morning when he began to tell his tales, I simply turned to him and said "Mike----when I fuck my wife, do I come in here and tell you which way I was facing when I did it?" He said no. I said "Okay, then..." and let it drop. He stopped.....for a while.
He told me once that he didn't mind telling me all this stuff because he could see that I was "secure enough in my own sexuality" that he could talk to me. That was bullshit....he was an okay guy overall, but he took a certain sadistic glee in doing this shit that he knew annoyed me.
He also had a bad habit of coming up and rubbing his...er....pelvic region on me whenever I bent over. It was a joke, and I took it as such, as often as I could. One time I wasn't in the mood, however, and he was the type that didn't know when to quit. This particular day it earned him a punch in the gut. That might make me a gaybasher in some eyes here, but I had witnesses as to why I did it.
"Mike" always had friends visiting him at work, and they would often spend time relating their whore-stories to each other, so though I'm concentrating on Mike here, this is a habit I've noted in other gays, too. Mike is simply the one I've had the most to bitch about.

The lesbians I've known were just as bad; one, who I'll call "Becky", another coworker, was a rather large woman, very manish, and was a bouncer at a gay bar in the evenings. Becky once told the tale of a chance encounter she'd had with a leather-clad biker dyke in the restroom there. Again, in minute detail (somehow, though, I didn't seem to mind about the lesbian stories...Hmmm...). She would try to shock us with her tales, but after working with a fairy princess like Mike for so long, we were pretty hardened veterans.
Only one lesbian I knew didn't tell her tales; after a while, she drew away from that lifestyle and gotr married to a man. She wasn't a lesbian after all, but just "confused", as she put it.

Anyway.....that's mainly why gays piss me off. They're here and they're queer, and we have to deal with it.
Fine.....I just don't need to hear about it. Keep it to yourselves, like we do.

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on Dec 03, 2004
I uderstand waht your saying. and i agree. I have an ex that says he turned gay. that says he likes it because you can go home with a different guy everynight. ( told that to his mom). I know a few straights that do that 2. My moto If i didnt do i dont want to hear abou tit. there are things that are you be get kept back. more so with co-workers. I hope you punched him a good one.

Blondie
on Dec 03, 2004

I would have to say that I've been more fortunate among the lesbians I have encountered. Most have been content to quietly coexist.


But that may be a midwest phenomenon.

on Dec 03, 2004
Fine.....I just don't need to hear about it. Keep it to yourselves, like we do.


We? Who is this "we?" Straight men? The entire heterosexual population?
I agree that the qualities that the individuals that you describe are certainly self-absorbed and inconsiderate, but this is not reason alone to dislike all gay men. What "Mike" did was sexual harassment in the workplace and should not have been tolerated to begin with. But you know something? Most unwanted sexual harassment comes from straight men. Many heterosexual men don't mind or pay much attention to sexual harassment unless they're the ones being harassed. Because out-of-the-closet homosexuals are a marginalized group, it is easier to peg everyone based on your experiences with a few. True, the stereotype of the "drama queen" may apply to some gay men. Just as many straight men feel the need to act a certain obnoxious way to show how straight they are, don't discount that it may also apply to gay men as well. But there are also many men and women who don't feel the impulse to shock others or are exhibitionists (it's like watching Girls Gone Wild and assuming that all young women are attention-starved, drunk little twits)

Both men and women flaunt their sexuality--gay or straight, and receive a wide array of reactions from others. Although it may not apply to you, I guarantee you that there are MANY obnoxious men who sleep around and act as if they deserve badge of honor while women are still stigmatized (granted, less so than thirty years ago.) Even knowing that, I'm not going to call all men obnoxious creeps because there are many who are not. Men have always bragged more about their little adventures and it does not surprise me that it is not limited to straight men. As for your lesbian cooworker, well, like I said, it's less stigmatized now- and also inappropriate in the workplace

I respect that you've formed an opinion based on your own experiences with different individuals. However, there are many gay men and women are not going to bombard you in unwanted stories and bravado. Keep in mind that views can change when you allow them to.
on Dec 05, 2004
I can say from experience that if you are tarring all gay men with the same brush, then you should also tar all straight men. If you've spent any time in a military barracks, there is always one or two men who are want to relating their sexual exploits to anyone who will listen.

and they would often spend time relating their whore-stories to each other


'Whore stories' - I'm confused. Was this person also a male gigolo?
on Dec 05, 2004
I agree with fox in the snow. I can't even begin to tell you how offended I was after reading your article.

It's fine for you to dislike these two particular homosexuals, but one of the main problems in society today is what you just did. You took a few observations and applied it to every other homosexual. That's called a stereotype. It's no different than saying all Asians are smart or all Latinos belong to gangs, and no more true either.

I can personally say that I know and am friends with several gay guys, lebians, and bisexuals and I've never once had this problem. Do have any idea how much the typical straight male brags about his sexual encounters?

Before you decide to dislike all homosexuals because of two that you know and don't like, try getting to know others. Maybe your 'gaydar' isn't as accurate as you think.
on Dec 05, 2004
Nice point-whoring post...now delete my comment and blacklist me STAT!

Love Suspeckted

on Dec 11, 2004
That's called a stereotype.
---Molly
Within each stereotype exists a basis in truth......otherwise they wouldn't exist, as a wise someone on this site once pointed out to me.

Before you decide to dislike all homosexuals because of two that you know and don't like, try getting to know others. Maybe your 'gaydar' isn't as accurate as you think.
---Molly This is also for fox in the snow, too.

I never said I "disliked" them......I've met some, not many, admittedly, who were perfectly okay, except of course for their lifestyle, which I unapologetically find abhorrent.
I pointed out in my article that I'm basing this on my encounters with quite a few gay men who came and went (sometimes literally) within the orbit of my coworker "Mike". So, please don't gloss over that fact and make it seem like I'm blindly branding all gays with the same iron. I'm not.....I haven't of course met every gay alive today, but thanks to my job, I have met many.
Pollsters and census-takers regularly use cross-sections and fractions of the population to get a feel for the larger numbers in the population. Allow me the same priviledge in this case.

Do have any idea how much the typical straight male brags about his sexual encounters?
---Molly Is it just me, or am I seeing a pattern here?

Unless he's a mouthy asshole (and there are quite a few of those out there, I know), this is usually done in jest or in response to an insult, real or perceived. Also, if the conversation is truly revolving around sexual prowess and encounters, it should not take place in mixed company. "Mike" and his friends did it as part of regular conversation, in front of everyone present. I found this distasteful.


'Whore stories' - I'm confused. Was this person also a male gigolo?
---dynamaso

No, this was a play on words....a bad pun. "War stories"....."whore stories"...get it? They had a lot of sex and regaled each other loudly about their encounters. of course, based on his sexual exploits, he could have been, and indeed did flirt with the idea. That's for another article, though, to which I'm sure you're all looking for ward.

As to suspeckted, who accused me of points-whoring.....I never intended it to be so, and if I were a whore, I would be a monumentally unsuccessful one, based on the points I received from this post.
If I had intended it to be a point-whoring post, I would have titled it something more provocative, like "Why all butt-f*&%ing fags should be killed", or something equally outrageous. I didn't.

Give me a little credit here, folks, despite the fact that I'm a horrible, closed-minded person who thinks there's something terribly wrong with sex within the same gender, I'm still a nice guy.
on Dec 11, 2004
I dont think you are a horrible person Rightie, but i do think you're a bit closed minded.

I don't like it when anybody tells me their conquest stories, so i agree with you there, and i know plenty of gays and lesbians who are no different than you or I with the exception of sleeping with the same sex.
on Dec 11, 2004
Homosexuality itself is not something I support per se,


Is there a special bank account for those that do support it?
on Dec 13, 2004
Nice point-whoring post...now delete my comment and blacklist me STAT!


Now, the more I see this, the more this offends me. Why would I want to delete and blacklist you? Because you don't agree with me? So what?
If everyone blacklisted everyone else who disagreed with them, none of the discussions on this site would get very far. I'm a rightwinger, not a Nazi, though some of you out there may have trouble discerning the differences between the two.

Is there a special bank account for those that do support it?


Yes, it's called the "no account".
on Dec 13, 2004

Yes, it's called the "no account".


im not sure how well thatll translate to those who havent lived in the us...or in the southern us...but it cracked me up. 


what youve described is definitely workplace sexual harrassment.  you shoulda reported it.  if nothing else, you now know what a lotta women have to endure at their jobs.

i consulted for several major studios during the mid-80s to early 90s.    it wouldnt surprise me if at least 20% of the male adminstrative and mid-level managemers were gay. from 87 throu 92), i'd be informed at least one person--sometimes mrore--who formerly worked with the people i worked with had died from aids or related complications


i dont recall ever hearing or seeing anything like youve described. im not gonna thats the case everywhere.  this is the 2nd article or comment 've seen in the past two weeks in which gay people are are criticized for aggessively inflicting the fact of their sexual orientation on everyone with whom they come in contact (so to speak ). 

i must know only well-behaved gay men and women.   

oops.  i just saw the comment above this one so make that 3 instances in 2 weeks.   there would be no need for all those tiresome refutations or qualifications about indiscrete sexual preference announcements if there were not an equal number of tiresome assertions that some gays insist on making an issue of their sexual orientation immediately upon introduction.   im not at all sure--based on my experiences--it happens with any real frequency except perhaps in gay bars.

on Dec 13, 2004
Now, the more I see this, the more this offends me. Why would I want to delete and blacklist you? Because you don't agree with me? So what?
If everyone blacklisted everyone else who disagreed with them, none of the discussions on this site would get very far. I'm a rightwinger, not a Nazi, though some of you out there may have trouble discerning the differences between the two.


I certainly don't recall calling you a Nazi and a pity that you can't hear my hint of sarcastic tone as I typed my original post. Interesting though that you make a point to address the notion that I might be making broad judgments about "rightwingers" and your entire thread is about your sweeping broad judgements against homosexuals....what gives man? err...woman....err...whatever?

Seems to me you have encountered only the immature and bothersome members of a particular community and base all your opinions about it. My God, to think that the black community might only see Paris Hilton, or Dick Cheney as accurately respresentating all of the white community...how tragic would that be?
on Dec 13, 2004
I hate it that people are judged for their sexuality. They are born that way. You can't just decide one day that you are gay....that is of course unless you are in it for experimentation purposes. Gay people just seem to know and recognize fellow gay people, hence the concept of gaydar. People are just people..gay,straight, bi--whatever...who cares....just worry about yourself.
on Dec 13, 2004
It never ceases to annoy me when gays...(not ALL gays, christ im tired of having to add these types of disclaimers to everything i write on JU but if i dont, some idiot is bound to remind me that NOT ALL GAYS behave this way..give it a rest, ok?)...feel the burning desire to TELL people they are gay within moments of meeting them.


Thank you, LW, thank you very much. Why does it seem that only us ~~ahem~~ "righties" seem to be the ones who seem to notice this phenomenon?



Yes, it's called the "no account".



im not sure how well thatll translate to those who havent lived in the us...or in the southern us...but it cracked me up.


Thanks, kingbee...I'm glad someone got it.



i must know only well-behaved gay men and women.
---kingbee

Lucky you. At first it was just a mild annoyance, but when it continued, well, let's just say it got under my skin.



I certainly don't recall calling you a Nazi and a pity that you can't hear my hint of sarcastic tone as I typed my original post. Interesting though that you make a point to address the notion that I might be making broad judgments about "rightwingers" and your entire thread is about your sweeping broad judgements against homosexuals....what gives man? err...woman....err...whatever?


Geesh!
Like many on here whose views seem to, perhaps, drift in slightly from the Left, you seem to jump directly to the most negative conclusion possible, completely avoiding "Go" and not bothering to collect your two hundred smackeroos.
I didn't say that you "called" me a Nazi.....all I was saying was that I'm simply a "rightwinger, not a Nazi"....as in, I'm not a totalitarian who wishes to squash any opposition to my own views by banishing them to the blacklist. I was being sympathetic and nice; too bad you couldn't hear MY tone. Lighten up. This IS all in fun, after all, right?

As to the sexual harrassment stuff, I'm not a lawyer-lover. i use them only when no other recourse is available.
I handled it myself the best way I saw how. Besides, I didn't want the guy to lose his job...he needed it to supplement his Ecstacy-dealing business and to help feed his coke habit.
The stripping at the gay bar and the part-time gig he had on the side masturbating on-camera for a gay porn website for voyeurs just weren't cutting it, I guess.
If you think I'm making all this up, think again. This guy, like most of the gays I've been in contact with, was seriously screwed up.

And I'm a man...do you honestly think I'd have a wife if I were a woman? Well, maybe......in Vermont, Massachusetts or Cali.....or now Canada.
"Here comes the Bride....Groom? Bride.....no, Groom.......no......"
on Dec 13, 2004
I hate it that people are judged for their sexuality. They are born that way. You can't just decide one day that you are gay....that is of course unless you are in it for experimentation purposes. Gay people just seem to know and recognize fellow gay people, hence the concept of gaydar. People are just people..gay,straight, bi--whatever...who cares....just worry


Sorry I missed you, allison........I agree with you that they are born that way.....but I won't say they're normal. Here's why:

Everything in nature which is considered "normal" or "natural" is able to reproduce itself naturally, either by sexual or asexual reproduction. With plants it's something else...right now the term escapes me, but I know there is one for it.
From one-celled animals and plants all the way up to us, reprodcuction is a normal thing. But not for gays.
Can two gay men get together and make a third gay man or lesbian? No. Can two lesbians get together and make another lesbian or gay man? No. Therefore, they are not "normal".
They have to be born that way......I guess, for want of a better term, I'd call it a "birth defect".....they can't help it, of course. There's just something wrong with them on the genetic level. I know I'm going to take a nuclear reactor's worth of heat for that statement, but that's how I feel. Call me a nut if you want, but that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

And I'm not judging them for their sexuality.....I, personally, could care less who they sleep with. There are too many other things going on for me to concern myself with just now.

What does concern me, though is the effect it has on the morals of our civilization. Roll your eyes if you will, but the Bible says that same-sex relations is a sin and an abomination before God. I mean, for cryin' out loud.....where do you think the word "sodomy" comes from? Sodom! The city destroyed by God for its terrible wickedness. Maybe we should refer to male-male or femal-female oral sex as "giving Gamorrah"?
If God says it's bad, mass acceptance of homosexuality, then, cannot be a good thing.

What I also hate, from a more practical standpoint, is having the "normalcy" of it forcefully thrust at me from all directions(mainly Hollywood, though...big surprise there, right kingbee?)......I mean, it seems that virtually every movie and TV show now has to have the obligatory "flaky queer" and/or "responsible gay" hanging around somewhere. It annoys me; it's like Goebbels said (there I go, the rightwinger uses a Nazi reference) "if you repeat the Lie long enough and loud enough, the people will begin to believe it."

Sorry, but I'm not PC. And I don't believe it.
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