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Actions that are Affirmative
Published on June 19, 2009 By Rightwinger In US Domestic
President Obama’s choice of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to replace Justice David Souter is yet another attempt at pandering to a goodly swath of voters. Latinos are no doubt happy with his choice; I’m sure they’ll vote accordingly.
Sotomayor, however, describes herself as “the perfect product of Affirmative Action; (I’m) an Affirmative Action baby. My test scores were not as high as some of my colleagues at Princeton and Yale…”
So there it is, in her own words.
Do you know what this means? It means that, somewhere out there, there are likely at least a few other judges, her “colleagues at Princeton and Yale”, who---lacking the proper ethnic qualities or economic circumstances to garner them minority status, actually had to work for their grades--are much more qualified for the position.
She was able to coast through law school on Affirmative Action, handed her grades through slack, mandated by a government program, and now sees nothing wrong with being coasted into a lifetime gig on the Supreme Court in essentially the same way, and for the same reasons.
Affirmative Action is, and always has been patently, and even dangerously, unfair, despite its obvious attempt at mandating fairness.
I say “dangerously” because…well, I'll cite a case heard by Sotomayor herself; in 2003, the New Haven, CT Fire Dept. decided to base its promotions to lieutenant and captain on test scores, a logical move.
However, only one of those firemen receiving passing test scores proved to be a black man; all of the others were white.
In other words, this policy---requiring leaders of their FD to exhibit proper knowledge and skills to safely, effectively and efficiently hold the positions---would’ve left the New Haven FD less than “diverse”. They couldn’t have that! So naturally, the city threw out that horribly racist, unfair policy.
One of the higher scorers, a white man, rightfully sued for reverse discrimination. Sotomayor, doubtlessly drawing upon her positive life and career experiences with Affirmative Action, ruled against him.
Affirmative Action has always been ill-conceived and unfair. It’s yet another example of liberals celebrating mediocrity, and denigrating excellence and exceptionality, all in the name of that ever-important dynamic: “fairness”. Or, at least, the liberal's version of it.
Everything must be made “fair”; everybody gets a gold medal, regardless how illogical or wrong-headed that vision may be.
Know what isn’t fair? Life. Sometimes, people just aren’t talented, or smart, enough to do the things they want. Maybe they have to do something else. It’s discriminatory, yes, but that’s the way it is; deal with it.
Letting some people slide through the rigors of college and career based on accident of birth, however, simply isn’t fair; to others, or even to them.
Just as a last observation, you know what else isn’t fair?
The Theory of Evolution; weaker species getting axed by stronger, more adept classes. Doesn’t everyone--everything--deserve the right to prosper and thrive? Not according to Darwin.
But ironically, liberals love his ideas--which clearly oppose Affirmative Action idealology--and battle fanatically for them, typically never realizing their own hypocrisy.
 

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on Jun 24, 2009

Leauki posts:

Liberal policies react to the fact that without intervention the strongest will survive, while according to liberal ideology, the weakest should have the same good life.

Liberals here differentiate between nature and morality. They say that even though they KNOW and understand that in nature only the strongest will survive, they BELIEVE that the weakest should be favoured by the system just as much. This is not hypocritical at all, it is merely what morality is about.

And a liberal who advocates a social welfare state is not a hypocrite when he acknowledges that without a welfare state the weakest would be the losers and he would be an idiot indeed if he decided not to teach children in schools that that is the case.

 

It's like recognising that a lion WILL eat the prey but that we might want to BELIEVE that we should help a helpless human child about to be eaten by the lion. When we save the child it doesn't mean we are hypocritical just because we also recognise the fact that without our help the child would have been eaten.

In every society there is no one weaker than the innocent unborn child growing in the womb. Liberal's advocacy for abortion on demand paid for by taxpayer money blows your argument apart.

 

 

 

on Jun 24, 2009

In every society there is no one weaker than the innocent unborn child growing in the womb. Liberal's advocacy for abortion on demand paid for by taxpayer money blows your argument apart.

Non sequitur. My argument (i.e. me stating a few facts) has nothing to do with abortion.

Perhaps I have to update my list to include "abortion":

http://citizenleauki.joeuser.com/article/351847/What_Evolution_Is_And_Isnt

Evolution is not about and has nothing to do with:

1. Theism or atheism.

2. The origin of the universe.

3. The origin of life.

4. One species turning into another.*

5. Christianity.

6. Religion.

7. Politics.

I'll add "evolution" and "morality and ethics" and hope that that clarifies things.

 

on Jun 24, 2009

Rightwinger writes:

Just as a last observation, you know what else isn’t fair?
The Theory of Evolution; weaker species getting axed by stronger, more adept classes. Doesn’t everyone--everything--deserve the right to prosper and thrive? Not according to Darwin.
But ironically, liberals love his ideas--which clearly oppose Affirmative Action idealology--and battle fanatically for them, typically never realizing their own hypocrisy.

leauki posts:

No. As I said, I find your understand of Darwin's theory wanting.

Actually, Leauki, it's your own understanding of Darwin's theory that is wanting.

You write:

Evolution is not about and has nothing to do with:

4. One species turning into another.*

Yet, the definition of "Evolution" as per the World Book Dictionary and 3 science text books is indeed the very same concept of Darwin's Theory. 

"Evolution" has been used in the scientific field to designate a natural, biological process through which some speck of inorganic matter after eons of time, transmuted into a simple celled organism, then from that into a more complex organism, from which passing from one species to another, all plant, animal and human life came about.  They claim the process or mechanism for Darwin's evolution was by "Natural Selection" and "Survival of the Fittest".

As far as your assertion that one (animal) species does not turn "evolve" into other species, here it is from Charles Darwin himself......From his book "The Descent of Man" 2nd ed. Collier and Son. 1905. Darwin refutes your statement.

"In forming a judgment on this head with reference to man, we must glance at the classification of the Simiadae. This family is divided by almost all naturalists into the Catarrhine group, or Old World monkeys....and into the Platyrhine group or New World monkeys. .....Now, man unquestionably belongs in his dentitiion, in the structure of his nostrils, and some other respects, to the Catarrhine or Old World division.

.....There can, consequently, harldy  be a doubt that man is an offshoot from the Old World Simian stem; and that, under a genealogical point of view, he must be classified with the Catarrhine division. Vol.1, pg. 205.

"The early progenitors of man must have been once covered with hair, both sexes having beards; their ears were probably pointed and capable of movement; and their bodies were provided with a tail, having the proper muscles....The foot was then prehensile, judging from the great toe in the foetus; and our progeniters no doubt, were arboreal  in their habits, and frequented some warm forest-clad land." pg. 214.

"The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and the Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the universe proceeded." pg. 220.

 "Man, as I have attempted to show, is certainly descended from some ape-like creature." pg. 759.

"The main conclusion arrived at this work, namely that man is descended from some lowly organized form, will I regret to think, be highly distasteful to many. ...For my own part, I would as soon be descended from that heroic little monkey who braved his dreaded enemy in order to save the life of his keeper, or from that old baboon, who descending from the mountains, carried away in triumpth his young comrade from a crowd of astonished dogs----as from a savage who delights to torture his enemies, offers up bloody sacrifices...." pg. 796.

 

lula posts:

In every society there is no one weaker than the innocent unborn child growing in the womb. Liberal's advocacy for abortion on demand paid for by taxpayer money blows your argument apart.


LEAUKI POSTS:

Non sequitur. My argument (i.e. me stating a few facts) has nothing to do with abortion.

But it does. Actually, to liberals (like Sotomayor), abortion is social welfare....Darwin's ET being the linchpin.

From Dr. Walt Brown on the social consequences of Darwin's Evolution...

....."we dispose of unwanted animals such as cats and dogs. If humans are just evolved animals, why not terminate an unwanted pregnancy? Isn't it the mother's right? Shoulnd't she have a choice in the matter? After all, the fetus ....is of lesser value than an adult. During the fetus' first three months, it's just a blog of tissue that's not any more important than a little pig or rabbit. Why shouldn't a fetus be terminated if adults or society would benefit? After all, we have a population problem. We must guide our destiny."

 

 

 

on Jun 24, 2009

Leuki--I'll have to get back to you. We're still in the process of moving, and I'm too short on time to go into such depth. Very well-reasoned, though. I'll enjoy debating this with you, and I will do so. I'll get back to you on this.

Lula posted:

"But it does. Actually, to liberals (like Sotomayor), abortion is social welfare....Darwin's ET being the linchpin.

From Dr. Walt Brown on the social consequences of Darwin's Evolution...

....."we dispose of unwanted animals such as cats and dogs. If humans are just evolved animals, why not terminate an unwanted pregnancy? Isn't it the mother's right? Shoulnd't she have a choice in the matter? After all, the fetus ....is of lesser value than an adult. During the fetus' first three months, it's just a blog of tissue that's not any more important than a little pig or rabbit. Why shouldn't a fetus be terminated if adults or society would benefit? After all, we have a population problem. We must guide our destiny." "

Most "Progressives", as modern liberals are preferring to be called, are enamored of Eugenics; Margaret Sanger, the Mother of Planned Parenthood, for example, was a huge proponent of Darwin's theories, and especially in applying them to the races of humanity. She was not exactly a fan of racial tolerance, either; we'll leave it at that. 

 

 

on Jun 25, 2009

Actually, Leauki, it's your own understanding of Darwin's theory that is wanting.

No, Lula. It is in fact you who have such little understanding of evolution that you are even unable to tell if anybody else has an understanding of Darwin's theory at all.

 

Yet, the definition of "Evolution" as per the World Book Dictionary and 3 science text books is indeed the very same concept of Darwin's Theory.

Non sequitur. I never said that Darwin's theory is not the same as evolution. (In fact I find it odd that you would bring this up. Seems to me like you totally ignore what is written and just hammer in whatever you can quote somewhere containing some of the same words used in a given discussion.)

What you are not getting is that neither evolution nor Darwin's theory (which are the same) promote the idea that species can turn into each other.

That's why you are quoting text describing evolution. It's because you have (still) no idea that it simply isn't what you think it is.

Let's look at this statement:

The main conclusion arrived at this work, namely that man is descended from some lowly organized form, will I regret to think, be highly distasteful to many.

The way you understand it is that at some point an ape (for example) turned into a human.

Well, that is wrong and Darwin never said anything like that.

The part you don't understand is that there was never ever, according to Darwin's theory, a point at which one species became another.

1. In Darwin's theory the child of an animal is _always_ (but absolutely always and all the time and never not) the same species as its parent. Always. Always. Always. Get it?

2. However, the descendants of one animal, while always having been the same species as their own parents, are not necessarily the same species as other descendants of that same animal.

What you don't get (and that is obvious from everything you write about the subject) is that that statement 2 does not negate statement 1.

If you have a parent generation A(1) and two children B(2) and C(2) and their descendants B(...) and C(...) (with ... being some gigantic number representing lots and lots of generations in between), then the following holds true:

1. A(1) and B(2) and C(2) are the same species.

2. B(2) and its child B(3) are the same species.

3. C(2) and its child C(3) are the same species.

4. B(n) and its child B(n+1) are the same species.

5. C(n) and its child C(n+1) are the same species.

6. B(n) and C(n) for sufficiently large n are not necessarily the same species.

7. B(n) and C(n) for sufficiently large n can be totally different animals from A(1).

8. Yet at no point was a child ever a different species than its parent.

So while we (might) end up with two different species after many generations, just like Darwin said, one species never (ever at all) turned into another species.

I know that you won't understand this (in fact I think you will simply ignore it and pretend you were never told the next time it comes up), but maybe  others will. It's not that difficult.

 

 

on Jun 25, 2009

From Dr. Walt Brown on the social consequences of Darwin's Evolution...

Actually, it's about the social consequences of KNOWING about Darwin's evolution. Evolution happens whether we know about it or not, just like gravity. And evolution happens whether we teach it or not, just like gravity.

We cannot, by refusing to teach evolution, change the world into one that doesn't include evolution.

If that were possible we could all learn how to fly by not learning about gravity.

Gravity doesn't say that rocks SHOULD drop when we drop them. Gravity says that rocks WILL drop when we drop them. Gravity doesn't care about the morality of dropping rocks on people. And a human being who refuses to drop rocks on other human beings is not thereby denying the truth of the theory of gravity and nor is he a hypocrite for stopping a rock from dropping on others.

 

on Jun 25, 2009

LEAUKI POSTS:

What you are not getting is that neither evolution nor Darwin's theory (which are the same) promote the idea that species can turn into each other.

That's why you are quoting text describing evolution. It's because you have (still) no idea that it simply isn't what you think it is.

We agree that "evolution" and "Darwin's Theory" are the same.

You write that Evolution is not about and has nothing to do with One species turning into another.

Yet, your assertion has been soundly refuted by science textbooks, by dictionary definition and from Darwin's own writings.

Science textbooks define "Evolution" as used in the scientific field to designate a natural, biological process through which some speck of inorganic matter after eons of time, transmuted into a simple celled organism, then from that into a more complex organism, from which passing from one species to another, all plant, animal and human life came about. They claim the process or mechanism for Darwin's evolution was by "Natural Selection" and "Survival of the Fittest".

From the Thorndike/Barnhart World Book Dictionary, A-K, Vol. 23 page 737, the definition of "Evolution" is....

n. 1. any process of formation or growth; gradual development. 2 something evolved; product of development; not a sudden discovery or creation. 3 the theory that all living things developed from a few simple forms of life through a series of physical changes. According to evolution, the first mammal developed from a type of reptile, and ultimately all forms are traced back to a simple single-celled organism. ........9 Philosophy....the theory that a process or progressive change, with the development of more complex entities, characterizes all force and matter in the universe. Evolution is advance from the simple to the complex.

Note the highlighted part. It says ....."according to evolution the first mammal developed from a type of a reptile"..

 

Aren't reptiles a species? Aren't mammals completely different species? Yes is the correct answer to both questions. So the world-wide accepted dictionary definition states quite a remarkable evolutionary sequence ...that the first mammal developed from a reptile. This is a direct refutation of your assertion that Evolution is not about and has nothing to do with One species turning into another.

LEAUKI POSTS:

Darwin's theory is indisputable scientific fact. It is right that they should teach it as such.

And I say,

Darwin's Theory is a lie based upon pseudo science masqueraded as fact to our children in schools. Natural systems degenerate from order toward disorder called entropy and Darwin's Theory of Evolution requres faith in the opposite.

 

on Jun 25, 2009

You know Leauki, you should also start adding to your list how evolution and eugenics are different, considering people want to claim that eugenics are Darwinian.

 

on Jun 25, 2009

The way you understand it is that at some point an ape (for example) turned into a human.

Well, that is wrong and Darwin never said anything like that.

Why the denial Leauki? From his book "The Descent of Man" 2nd ed. Collier and Son. 1905 Darwin wrote exactly that.  He wrote that mankind is an offshoot from what he called Old World Simiadaen monkeys...that man descended from some ape-like creature, a progenitors who were once covered with hair, both sexes had beards, with pointed ears, a tail, etc.

"In forming a judgment on this head with reference to man, we must glance at the classification of the Simiadae. This family is divided by almost all naturalists into the Catarrhine group, or Old World monkeys....and into the Platyrhine group or New World monkeys. .....Now, man unquestionably belongs in his dentitiion, in the structure of his nostrils, and some other respects, to the Catarrhine or Old World division.

.....There can, consequently, hardly  be a doubt that man is an offshoot from the Old World Simian stem; and that, under a genealogical point of view, he must be classified with the Catarrhine division. Vol.1, pg. 205.

"The early progenitors of man must have been once covered with hair, both sexes having beards; their ears were probably pointed and capable of movement; and their bodies were provided with a tail, having the proper muscles....The foot was then prehensile, judging from the great toe in the foetus; and our progeniters no doubt, were arboreal  in their habits, and frequented some warm forest-clad land." pg. 214.

"The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and the Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the universe proceeded." pg. 220.

 "Man, as I have attempted to show, is certainly descended from some ape-like creature." pg. 759.

"The main conclusion arrived at this work, namely that man is descended from some lowly organized form, will I regret to think, be highly distasteful to many. ...For my own part, I would as soon be descended from that heroic little monkey who braved his dreaded enemy in order to save the life of his keeper, or from that old baboon, who descending from the mountains, carried away in triumpth his young comrade from a crowd of astonished dogs----as from a savage who delights to torture his enemies, offers up bloody sacrifices...." pg. 796.

 

on Jun 25, 2009

If you have a parent generation A(1) and two children B(2) and C(2) and their descendants B(...) and C(...) (with ... being some gigantic number representing lots and lots of generations in between), then the following holds true:

1. A(1) and B(2) and C(2) are the same species.

2. B(2) and its child B(3) are the same species.

3. C(2) and its child C(3) are the same species.

4. B(n) and its child B(n+1) are the same species.

5. C(n) and its child C(n+1) are the same species.

6. B(n) and C(n) for sufficiently large n are not necessarily the same species.

7. B(n) and C(n) for sufficiently large n can be totally different animals from A(1).

So, if as you claim that evolution is true, then there ought to be lots and lots of actual examples with plenty of fossils, or other empirical scientific evidence you can cite. So, carry this "evolutionary sequence" through using an actual animal species (of your choice)...show how step 1 that A1, B2 and C2 are the same species and by the time steps 6 and 7 come along ....a totally different animal, not the same species from A1.

 

 

on Jun 25, 2009

You know Leauki, you should also start adding to your list how evolution and eugenics are different, considering people want to claim that eugenics are Darwinian.

Eugenics is closely linked to abortion and like abortion, eugenics is also one of the social consequences to Darwin's theory of evolution.

I have just quoted Darwin and he certainly believed that mankind descended from monkeys. Darwin and his followers described this evolution was accomplished was by "survival of the fittest".

Quoting Dr.Walt Brown's logic...

...If humans descended from animals, why shouldn't humans behave like animals?

and

If we evolved by "survival of the fittest", then getting rid of the unfit is desirable. To conquer and exploit weaker people, businesses and countries is just the law of the jungle from which we evolved. Mercy killings, forced sterilizations, and selective breeding of humans, while unpopular with some, would be beneficial, in the long run, and very logical....if we evolved.

To those who take up with Liberalism, Secular or Atheistic Humanism and Progressivism, eugenics, like abortion is social welfare....Darwin's evolutionary Theory is the linchpin for all these "isms".


on Jun 25, 2009

From Dr. Walt Brown on the social consequences of Darwin's Evolution...

Actually, it's about the social consequences of KNOWING about Darwin's evolution. Evolution happens whether we know about it or not, just like gravity. And evolution happens whether we teach it or not, just like gravity.

Actually, it's about the social consequences of believing Darwin's evolution as true.

We've seen that "Evolution" as per the dictionary, science textbooks and Darwin himself is that man is no more than an animal from which he decended.

Evolution and Darwinism has long gone from a pseudo-scientific theory to a full blown belief system; an atheistic philosophical world-view, and it's a lie. We know it's a lie becasue science has shown that natural systems degenerate from order toward disorder called entropy.

 

on Jun 26, 2009

Why the denial Leauki?

There is no "denial".

You will just have to learn that merely quoting from a book doesn't prove anything unless the quotes actually support your claims.

But you have so little knowledge of Darwin's theory (and, may I add, theology) that you are prone to quoting lots and lots of text you obviously don't understand.

 

on Jun 26, 2009

Darwin's Theory is a lie based upon pseudo science masqueraded as fact to our children in schools. Natural systems degenerate from order toward disorder called entropy and Darwin's Theory of Evolution requres faith in the opposite.

Did you really start as an orderly system and have degenerated since?

I haven't.

I know more now than I did 20 years ago. I have also gained weight. So very obviously my body consists now of a greater number of ordered atoms than it did 20 years ago.

Perhaps you don't understand that what you claim absolutely isn't true; or more precise, it is true for _closed systems_, not human beings (who interact with the planet) nor the planet (which interacts with the solar system).

As I said, your knowledge of these things is severely lacking. You have, again, merely quoted something "entropy" without understanding it.

Any cleaning lady can tell you that it IS possible to generate order from disorder if energy is allowed to infiltrate from the outside.

 

on Jun 26, 2009

You know Leauki, you should also start adding to your list how evolution and eugenics are different, considering people want to claim that eugenics are Darwinian.

My bad. You are right. I'll add it.

http://citizenleauki.joeuser.com/article/351847/What_Evolution_Is_And_Isnt

Added:

10. Eugenics.***

***To be precise, eugenics is the opposite of evolution. Evolution is how animals develop without a plan. Eugenics is how animals develop with a plan. Eugenics is a form of "Intelligent Design", not evolution.

 

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