Unfortunately it's considered bad taste to let babies starve in order to prove a point.

~Zoo

RW, I heard it was 6 embryos implanted (two split) that still don't make it right, just a clarification. I think the doctor that performed it should be held liable too. He is responsible for consultation with the patient and should have refused based on her current litter of kids at home. Even if she only wanted one, it should have raised flags. I know some will scream about the womans rights, but when the burden shifts to the government, "wants" instead of "needs" must be examined. The taxpayers should sue this doctor for support of the children, that should stop him from doing it again in the future.

As for the mother, she needs psychiatric help. Any woman that thinks she can properly care for 8 newborns, 6 other young children, 3 of which have disabilities/special needs, should undergo treatment.

I can only imagine how much of this kind of welfare fraud goes on, only on a smaller scale. And some folks want more social programs?

But she plans to get a Masters degree and become a counselor.....yeah, that's going to happen.

yep and now they all have free medical too! Aint

I have been following this story since it broke and the more I learn about it the more annoyed I get.  This woman obviously has some major mental problems, how they were missed when she worked in a mental hospital is beyond me.  There are so many things to "love" about this story:

1) She claims that she doesn't consider herself on welfare.  She is on social programs that are out there that because of her three disabled kids she qualifies for.  I don't know about you but that IS welfare.

2) Her grand plan for providing for her children is to go back to school and use STUDENT loans to supliment her lack of an income.  I don't know how that is even legal.

3) I just saw an article this morning that said she has started a website where she is actively soliciting donations.  She takes Visa, Mastercard, and Paypal.  How nice of her to be so accepting.

4) While this isn't official by any means I'm willing to bet that she expects to get calls from TLC or Discovery to start a show similar to "John and Kate Plus 8".

This woman needs some serious psychological help and I really hope family services makes regular visits to her home.

I hold a 45+ hour a week job. Sara stays at home and is the homekeeper. With the children having issues at school and the threapy ...o and we are not having any more kids.

But yeah i find it funny shes getting food stamps...no father... depends on her parents to care for the kids... there is so much fail with this lady... hence the reason why in some cases i support "fixing" adults

How'd you figure that one out? In 2007 US debt was ~65.5% of GDP. UK debt was ~43.8% of GDP, so if anyones bankrupt, it's the US, not England.

Also why are you complaining? Is it not cheaper to have a parent looking after lots of children at once instead of only a few? If you have 3 kids you'll either need to not work to see to them, or get childcover while you work. If you have 14, you'll either need to not work to see to them, or get childcover while you work. In other words, it's far cheaper to have the 14th child than the 1st. Meanwhile when those children grow up they'll be expected to (on average) pay far more back in taxes than the mother will have received to help raise them.

Anyway what are you proposing instead? That you cut off welfare and leave the mothers+their children to starve on the streets? That you have a child cap policy similar to China's 1 child one? That you ban people from having IVF if they're not earning a certain level of income? That you only allow the rich to have children? Any one of those sounds like a far worse alternative.

I don't know about anyone else but I would be asking that the folks in charge of regulating the medical industry (AMA or whomever) institute rules that require that before someone gets IVF they have to prove that they can afford to care for the kids they already have plus however many may take from the procedure, assume half of the number implanted.  It is completely irresponsible for any individual to go through, or the doctor to perform, the IVF procedure when the individual can barely afford to care for the children they already have.

Perhaps I wasn't clear.  I don't mind her collecting disability payments for her disabled kids, but let's call a spade a spade when you're unemployed receiving government assistance you are on some form of welfare no matter what it's actual source is.  It was her semantics that bothered me in that case.

O Okay lol. Yeah kinda got lost in traslation there.

See I feel she did this on her own and the Gov ( at least someone with balls ) would tell her GTHO...

See I dont think I really fit into any one group when it comes to politics... I go from one side to the other on issues. I love the gov to live withen the means and not raise taxes... That makes me conservative right? But on the other hand, i dont mind giving a helping hand to honest hard working people that have had a string of bad luck.

She didnt fall on bad luck she had those eggs inplanted to have more babies at her own will. Sad thing is I almost think CS should get involved... take the kids away and put them into carring homes because there are plenty of loving couples that CANT have kids that would love the child to death. O and they could support the kids too

I am much the same way.  I consider myself Libertarian or essentially fiscally conservative, socially liberal.  I don't mind providing a hand up when someone falls on bad times but I detest the hand out.

This is nothing but total, complete, and utter liberal drivel. My god, this is textbook; Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter could have written this as a snarky example of liberal mindlessness. But with them, it would be cute, and funny. With you, it's just sad and scary.

Okay, maybe I was wrong about England; I remembered hearing that somewhere. Mea Culpa.

But you don't see anything wrong with this? It's okay with you that this welfare-sucking nutcase has 14 kids, now? Kids that she's simply expecting others to help her care for? The casual impertinence of that idea just floors me. She just assumes someone will help her with this massive boondoggle she's created.

 Everyone but you is simply saying that there should be some repsonsiblity on the part of the mother, the doctor, etc.

You, on the other hand, would be perfectly happy paying for this ignoramus to keep spitting out as many offspring as she likes, because you asked, "what about the woman's rights"?

Who gives a shit about the woman's rights? As I said, it's not like she had sex with a man and BOOM! ended up with octuplets. That's different; that's nature. Sperm is free.

No...this cost someone thousands of dollars, and over the years, will cost the taxpayers millions more. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if the taxpayers end up housing at least a few of these kids in the penitentiary, too, in 15 or 20 years' time.

What about the kid's rights? Are they going to have a good life? I doubt it. The older kids will be stuck for life, playing babysitter and taking care of the younger ones.

They'll grow up seeing the things mommy does, and be just like her: living on welfare and defrauding the people of their hard-earned money while they sit on their asses. How can I say this with such certainty? Because the statistics bear me out. People who live on welfare beget people who live on welfare, etc. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy and a never-ending cycle.

See, that's the difference in what comes from you and those like you, and what else I see on this thread: common sense. You don't have any.

Exactly. You take what you earn.  People tend to want more for nothing and stay on it.

The other thing is this is the way the "younger crowd" views life should be in the US. Its all about what they can get without working hard for it. This country was built on hard work and sweat and blood of its past generations. We have gone to the wayside of that. It makes me sad.

O well the way its going people will enbrace this lady and pitty her. Id toss her out and take the kids bottom line. Is there a way to stop something like this? Yes. make it clear that there is no freebies for those people that decide to bite off more than they can support willingly. Easy as that. People like her would think twice about going and having more kids.

Feel free to donate your own money to her if you feel that way. 

Oh, I don't feel that way.  I'm just saying normal people have issues with letting children suffer and die.  

A situation like this has interesting moral obstacles.  On one hand you have a psycho bitch who needs a fucking mental institution and doesn't deserve to get paid for this and on the other you have a litter of children that are royally fucked if no one steps in.

Choices, choices.

This is why I'm misanthropic most of the time.

~Zoo