The thing is though, for those wigger whites that seems to be their culture - a kind of hybrid cheap white trash/cheap black trash feel. We get the same thing with some people in Australia. We don't have more a few tens of thousands of Africans, let alone African Americans, and yet there's a fair few whites and Mediterraneans who dress and act like they're straight from the hood.

It may not be what anyone wants, but it's what they are and they have a right to it because it is their culture. What else should they be?

Are there lots of white Australians who adopt the styles and culture of your aborigines? How would you see them if they did? Honestly.

Yes. There are. We call them poor and frankly I don't care what they do. Their actions don't affect me and they've never acted any differently so I don't see any point in getting annoyed at them for not bathing or drinking too much. Instead the only civilised thing to do seems to be to try and give them the same opportunities the middle class has, so at least they have a choice of a different future.

And here, I always thought to planned result of integration was supposed to be the strenghthening of BOTH cultures, to the benefit of America, not the sublimation and ultimate destruction of one in favor of the other. Isn't that why we ended segregation in the first place?

Who cares what the purpose was? The end result is more interesting. The trend, at least in the popular culture you guys send overseas, suggests that whites are slowly fading from your artforms in place of Africans and Latinos. What does that say about white culture?

You might, I don't. For someone who claims not to be a liberal, you sure do sound like one, at least here in America, anyway.

If Liberals think there's something perceptive in social Darwinism when it comes to cultural matters then sure, I guess I'm liberal.

Gotta love that Darwinism, huh? Why is black culture better than white? Sorry, but generally speaking, anywhere blacks take over, the crime goes up, property maintanence and values drop and it becomes a ghetto, whether it started out that way or not. Sounds pretty weak to me.

I didn't say better. I said stronger. If black culture is pushing out what you consider white culture, then obviously white culture is weaker and black culture is stronger. I guess it all depends on whether you think culture is a zero-sum game.

We don't have more a few tens of thousands of Africans, let alone African Americans,

I would think you have very few African Americans. Maybe a few African Australians.

"Not really; I simply find it disquieting that a person would adopt the attitudes, clothing styles and phrasings of someone else as a general lifestyle."

I find it disquieting, too, especially when we talk about forcing Mexicans to become little whitebread beaver cleavers in order to come here.

I find it disquieting, too, especially when we talk about forcing Mexicans to become little whitebread beaver cleavers in order to come here.

----Baker

Baker, you seem to be the only one on JU who thinks that asking Mexican immigrants to please speak a little more English when they come here is tantamount to asking them to talk and act like Thurston Howell III and live in the 'burbs.

and yet there's a fair few whites and Mediterraneans who dress and act like they're straight from the hood. It may not be what anyone wants, but it's what they are and they have a right to it because it is their culture. What else should they be?

---cacto

But that's my problem; it's not what they are. It's what they think they want to be, and I just can't understand why that is. Maybe it's because I'm just such a horribly racist jerkoff that I expect a little "to thine own self be true" from people?

Yes. There are. We call them poor and frankly I don't care what they do. Their actions don't affect me and they've never acted any differently so I don't see any point in getting annoyed at them for not bathing or drinking too much.

---cacto

"We call them poor"----please. Just because they're poor, it's okay for them to act as if they're something they're not. 'Oh, wait; it's okay, he's poor, so just let him be'. It would be different then, if they were wealthy, right? Then they'd be oddballs or traitors to their class or something.

Who cares what the purpose was? The end result is more interesting. The trend, at least in the popular culture you guys send overseas, suggests that whites are slowly fading from your artforms in place of Africans and Latinos. What does that say about white culture?

---cacto

I don't know what it says about white culture, and I don't know where you're seeing that trend. If you listen to Baker, whites have no actual "culture" of their own, and so deserve whatever and wherever the fates take them.
I disagree, but that only seems to make me a white supremacist. I guess I'll just put on my robes and hood and go burn a cross on the lawn of a black church.

I didn't say better. I said stronger. If black culture is pushing out what you consider white culture, then obviously white culture is weaker and black culture is stronger. I guess it all depends on whether you think culture is a zero-sum game.

---cacto

Know what I think? I think that, if it had been the white people which had been in the position blacks have "traditionally" been in, that is to say, "poor and oppressed, downtrodden", etc., we'd be having this argument in the other direction. I do think I percieve a lot of white guilt in some of these comments. But that's just my opinion.

And thats one of the reasons white kids do this, RW, they have been taught by our liberal dominated school system that to be white is to be the epitome of all evil, so they bend over backwards to prove to blacks how 'cool' they are, denying their 'whiteness' in order to present themselves as non-threatening to blacks.

---LW

True; sad that it has to be that way, isn't it? Whites built Western Civilization, have given the world most of its prosperity and its technological and social advances, and yet we're the bad guys because we're white. I'd love to know where that thinking comes from.

What they don't know is that the blacks are laughing at them behind their backs when they act the fool like this.

---LW

Precisely; I asked cacto if he thought blacks actually respected the wiggers as people. No answer yet.

They'll figure it out soon enough, though, you don't see many mature wiggers, they seem to grow out of it sometime in their early 20s.

---LW

Yeah, but you have some wiggers who are fairly successful; Eminem, Kid Rock, Bill Clinton......

Precisely; I asked cacto if he thought blacks actually respected the wiggers as people. No answer yet.

Your articles seem to disappear a few hours after the last post, kind of like mirages. If I reply at all I have to reply in that window; it makes it difficult to be sure that I've covered everything. Sorry.

I don't know. I suspect no, but then there's always going to be a low-moderate level of background contempt in society when people don't act as they're expected to. In my view all societal change is generational; when the wiggers have kids I think their social status will be firmer and they'll have more respect.

But that's my problem; it's not what they are. It's what they think they want to be, and I just can't understand why that is. Maybe it's because I'm just such a horribly racist jerkoff that I expect a little "to thine own self be true" from people?

Why isn't it what they are? If it's how they act, how they speak, how they dress, how they think, what aspect of them is not wigger? They may not be true to their heritage but that's pretty natural for young anyway. Rebellions rocks.

"We call them poor"----please. Just because they're poor, it's okay for them to act as if they're something they're not. 'Oh, wait; it's okay, he's poor, so just let him be'. It would be different then, if they were wealthy, right? Then they'd be oddballs or traitors to their class or something.

Only Australia's poorest live in squalid little rural townships and spend their days drinking, fighting, and sniffing petrol, which from recent news reports appears to be the current depressing and fixable status of aboriginal culture. The wealthy are unlikely to ever emulate this, because their drug of choice is cocaine or maybe heroin. The rich tend to be able to afford luxury as well.

If you mean the traditional culture of the aborigines then I don't know if it survives amongst the wealthy aborigines. They claim to feel a kinship with the land but from my experience it's not a great deal different in scope and focus to that of the average greenie. Someone else might know better than me though. Australian aborigines are far more like your native Americans than your urban blacks. Many educated Australians claim some sort of respect for that culture or even mimic it in extreme cases, but it's not a youth thing.

I don't know what it says about white culture, and I don't know where you're seeing that trend.

Video Hits, MTV, etc, etc. If you watch the TV the only whites in your country seem to be trailer trash or the filthy rich and they all listen to black music.

Know what I think? I think that, if it had been the white people which had been in the position blacks have "traditionally" been in, that is to say, "poor and oppressed, downtrodden", etc., we'd be having this argument in the other direction. I do think I percieve a lot of white guilt in some of these comments. But that's just my opinion.

Sure, I'd agree with that. Don't know about the white guilt though - I have no intent of paying reparations for what my family has not done in the past. I know that the aboriginal population of Australia can be dealt with better but that's not based on guilt so much as a dislike for unnecessary suffering.

True; sad that it has to be that way, isn't it? Whites built Western Civilization, have given the world most of its prosperity and its technological and social advances, and yet we're the bad guys because we're white. I'd love to know where that thinking comes from.

Don't forget many of those technological and social advances came out of the Middle East and China. It's actually surprising how many did when you think about it. But yes, by the American definition whites built western civilisation. By the Australian one it was Mediterraneans, Australia's largest non-anglo ethnic grouping.

I was talking to some 20-something kid in a bar in Knoxville,TN a couple of years ago and he had the whole thing down. The clothes, the speech, everything. After listening to this idiot's speech for a few minutes I leaned over towards him and with a very serious look on my face asked him "umm, you do know you're white, right?"

He just got this stupid look on his face like I just informed him he had a cobra crawling out of his ass, got up and left.

Your articles seem to disappear a few hours after the last post, kind of like mirages.

---cacto

Sorry; this is because of my work schedule. I have to be at work at 7:00 AM my time, which is about, what, 8:00 PM your time? I only have time to post and that's about it until I get home. If I work my other job that day, I won't post at all until 5 or so the next morning.

Once again, I have to go; church thing tonight. I'll try to get to other comments later on.